IR, NMR, and Primobolan

[badslinky]

For people with science knowledge

First part of my question,
If I were to test primobolan to see if it was legit, do you think I would be able to tell beyond a doubt if it was real just from Infared spectroscopy readout? (If so does anyone know of any web addresses which gives primobolans IR specs) If that is insufficent than I wouyld run a nuclear magnetic resonance but here is where i am unsure; do you think the results would come out ok by mixing the oil based primobolan in the deuterated chloroine in the nmr tube? Or would I need to go about extracting the primo out of the oil some how. Once again if anyone knows of a website where i can get the know primobolan NMR specs that would be awesome. I would use a mass spectrometer but i am not an expert yet on how to interpret it.
Anyways someone i know was planning on getting primo from a pharmacie in the Ukraine so I wanted to be able to test it. Whats the chances of getting real primo from a pharmacie there?
My friend cycle looks like this Npp 1-8, Dbol 1-6, Test prop 1-4 13-17, primo 8-16. If you guys think the chances of getting legit primo are really bad than anavar will take its place. My friend has ordered from this source and has got good product before but has never dared to try the primo. thanks for your help....Badslinky

 

[gotgame83]

are u using a 2d or a regular nmr. and to get a clear reading just extract the pure substance bro. its not that hard if u have access to a regular chem lab. and you really dont need the specs bro just the structure of the molecule. As for the IR specs, ehhh they would be good to have but you could do without them. Just extract the powder and do a solid IR spec of it.

 

[gotgame83]

And how much have u used a GC mass spec? they really arent all that hard to use. For good reading just go onto google for 30minutes and get the basic concepts down. Its a really quick way to see the weight of the pricipal molecule and to an extent even where certain functional groups are.

 

[badslinky]

Well i am currently in organic chemistry 2 at a university so my teacher as of yet hasnt found it nes. to teach us mass spec (I briefly looked over it for like 5 mins and it looked like a pain in the ass) but maybe now would be a good time to sit down and throughly asses it. As far as the NMR machine ..im not quite sure what you mean....It can do C NMR and H NMR ( teacher said it cost around 500000 so it must do the whole 9 yards). I guess ill do a little net surfing because it would be great for me to compare the specs of IR and NMR to the data i get for simplicity. If I cant find anything I guess I will simply deduce the structure from functional groups and carbon/hydrogen layout( Im sure there is a shemical stucture of primo some where on the net). Only thing i will have to review is extraction of oil substance into crystaline.
Whats the difference between 2nd and reg NMR? Thanks badslinky

 

[gotgame83]

I like using H nmr, and yes i have used it to test juice before. Good thing because it was fake but it passed the thomas hoover melting point test. I am also a university student. Here at just some things a 2d nmr can do http://www.acdlabs.com/products/spec_lab/predict_nmr/2d_nmr/

unfortunately my school does not have this but i did an internship during this past summer and i worked with these a lot then. BTW your interest in juice will definitly help you with organic chem. I started off naming molecules and the basics with aas. And then when i first learned NMR about 3 years ago i payed very close attention and got books out so i can learn the deshielding and spin crap and how it all works just so i could test juice. And bro the mass spec is easy. it will show you the weights of all the molecules in the substance. So you will first get one big peak with the molecular weights of the substance then as it get broken apart bits and pieces and fragments will generate other peaks.

 

[daemian]

you can probably extract the steroid from the oil using alcohol (methyl, ethyl, isopropyl). All you need to know to get a pretty good idea of characterization of your compound is its molecular weight; Mass spectrometry will give you the mass of the parent ion, assuming your mass spectrometer is capable of soft-ionization. This method of ionization usually allows you to see the mass of your intact species of interest, instead of forcing you to recognize a fragmentation pattern. You can avoid all of this shit by just finding a good source through your friendly neighborhood anabolic post board, wherever one of those might be.

Good luck

 

[gotgame83]

Just off the top of my head im guessing you could extract the powder by decreasing the temp and running cold about 50mls of cold distilled water mixed with the amp. This should precipitate out a hell of a lot of it. You could then do a basic recrystallization with it something like methanol etc, if you are trying to get out most of the powder. But if your trying to run an nmr or ir spec you just need an extremely small amount. If you run the NMR or IR print it out and snan it. Post it on the board and ill help out with what i can.

If you are willing to lose, which it appears you are, one amp then if u get out most of the powder you can run all of the above. But hey bro, since ur not too familiar with the mass spec then run this and try your best to interpret it, it will help you with ur classes.