HG Pennypacker said:Obviously, it's outrageous that he's not in jail for life, but what do you propose we do about this?
HG Pennypacker said:If you're referring to me, why don't you come here and take care of it then? I have a daughter and one on the way, so why would I risk my freedom to take care of a scumbag who even the prison system didn't take out of the picture?
biteme said:No, I'm not referring to you. Just the public in general. Years ago, that son-of-a-bitch would already by dead, but times have changed.
HG Pennypacker said:If you're referring to me, why don't you come here and take care of it then? I have a daughter and one on the way, so why would I risk my freedom to take care of a scumbag who even the prison system didn't take out of the picture?
biteme said:One good reason. It could be your daughter next. The prison system will never take care of it, these killers should all be whacked as soon as they get out of prison.
HG Pennypacker said:What separates me from a lot of the people on this board is that I consider the consequences of my actions. Getting thrown in jail for doing something to a scumbag does my kids no good at all, because while there are thousands of Joel Steinberg's out there ready to prey on them, who is going to protect them and provide for them while i'm incarcerated?
biteme said:I understand that, I'm afraid as well to take action in many instances where I would have rushed in when I was younger. I don't know the solution, I would hope there are people out there with little to risk that would take care of these assholes. A vigilante group maybe. My point is that public apathy is becoming a dagerous thing. People are afraid to get involved because of the possible conseqences and risks. So we live in fear of scumbags, it ought not to be this way.
Becoming said:People like this walking around are the price we pay for this "civilized" society we live in that so many clamor for...
MattTheSkywalker said:It is a price worth paying.
Better to have this happen than to have you clubbed over the head and jailed indefinitely for opposing the local government.
Becoming said:Good point - the laws that bind us also bind them for the most part..
MattTheSkywalker said:Attempts to create "special" laws for situations like this is what results in idiocy like hate crime laws, terrorism charges against people like Allen iverson, and all sorts of other unintended nonsense. Prosecutors are not know for discretion.
This is a case of the system working as designed.
HG Pennypacker said:What separates me from a lot of the people on this board is that I consider the consequences of my actions. Getting thrown in jail for doing something to a scumbag does my kids no good at all, because while there are thousands of Joel Steinberg's out there ready to prey on them, who is going to protect them and provide for them while i'm incarcerated?
MattTheSkywalker said:Steinberg should hav enever gotten out; agreed.
But the process is what it is - they could not convict him on a murder charge. There was no premeditation, and the jury couldn;t make up its mind on a 'depraved indifference' case.
He got convicted of manslaughter and received the maximum sentence: 25 years.
This is a case of the system working as designed.
Becoming said:What level prison was he in... I am suprised it was not taken care of there as well...
People like this walking around are the price we pay for this "civilized" society we live in that so many clamor for...
disgusting.
biteme said:So are you suggesting that he be allowed to walk the streets again a free man, just because the system worked, as you say. We have different opinions. I do believe in justice. Justice has not been served in this case. I believe it will be. Someone will kill him.
MattTheSkywalker said:Then that would be murder.
Two wrongs don't make a left orb.
You just want revenge - revenge and justice are not the same thing.
Revenge is barbarism, justice is a system of moral law. If you take the principle you are advocating and expand it, lawlessness is the outcome.
ChrisOh said:Many murderers get parole, whats the big deal? He was convicted of manslaugter, lost 15 years of his life and by doing that repaid his debt to society, his slate is clean in my eyes. I hope he makes something of himself after this.
MattTheSkywalker said:Then that would be murder.
Two wrongs don't make a left orb.
You just want revenge - revenge and justice are not the same thing.
Revenge is barbarism, justice is a system of moral law. If you take the principle you are advocating and expand it, lawlessness is the outcome.
biteme said:Another example: If some grown man murdered my 6 yr. old daughter, I'm gonna kill that motherfucker. If that makes me a savage or barbaric, then I'm proud to be such.
That's some bullshit....BileStew said:He was in a very minimal security prison called; Southport Correctional Facility in Rochester, NY.
Like a country club with high fences.
I agree, but the system did work as designed... It is not right in my opinion, either...Biteme said:justice was not served in this case.
Becoming said:That's some bullshit.......
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