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I told her to leave

chesty

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Well, last night I told her she had till the 31st to leave. She decided she had big feelings for other guy and was working on us, just her, so I told her she had till the 31st of May. She kept trying to get me to give her 30 days and I said no.

She then tried to blame everything on me. Look what you are doing to the kids! They can't finish school (she'll just have and extra few miles to drive for 10 days) your making them sell the dog, I don't know where I will live, but what about the kids, look what you are putting them through. She tried to tell me I am just being a jerk, I told her that it is not me that is causing this.

You are the one that is deciding that our marriage is not worth saving any more and that you are the one cheating. Everything that is happening now is a direct result of what you are doing.

She tried then to tell me that 3 months ago when she wanted separate bedrooms that she felt we still had a chance, but since I didn't agree to that because I thought it was wrong, it kept up the pressure on her so then the chance dissappeard. Originally she told me she thought it would make the transition easier or that she expected me to boot her out at that point making her decisin easier. I explained to her that she was already seeing this guy so how could that be?

She also tried to tell me that if I hadn't tossed her out that she may have found out a few months down the road that he wasn't the one and might have seen that I was not so bad and we would have been able to work on us. But now that I have tossed her out that chance was gone. I was like whatever! She says I am scared to live on my own without her. Wrong, I am, I don't like it, but I am not scared.

Right now she is and I finally think she is realizing that no matter how much I verbally abused her, she returned it as well and that all of this at the moment is a direct result of her actions and choices. She tried to tell me that I had told her I didn't care if she stayed there and continued to see him. I reminded her that I said I didn't care if she stayed there as long as she had cut the ties with him and that if she didn't I couldn't condone her actions while I supported her. I pulled the carpet out from under her.

She kept trying to tell me that he has nothing to do with it. Wrong, he does in a big way. I told I know because I have first hand experience in the matter. I was where she is now many, many years ago. I explained to her that I felt the same way, etc. But that I realized I was wrong and ended it and as soon as I did, my feelings started to come back for her.

After I told her to leave I then explained to my oldest why she has to move out. She then later on told him as well, but sugar coated.

I gave her the final option, since we are married she asked me what I wanted to do, so I told her that she moves out here, we see a marriage counselor and do marriage counseling, not this individual crap and we start acting married again. She was like what about my jobs? I just abandon the parents. I was like either way on the 31st of May you are out of the house so it won't matter any way except you have to live with your friend for a while in a cramped 2 bedroom apt, with no way to pay your bills except for dickhead giving you about 2 g's a month (I don't think he will like that)

So, she is thinking about it. Told the oldest one that she is "confused" She doesn't want to hurt John, but doesn't want to hurt me, loves him, but didn't say how she felt about me (not that I don't know what she is saying now, but she wouldn't/couldn't tell the oldest one) wants to make the right decision, etc.

So either way she will be out of the house by the end of the month. Either with me working this out in TX or on her ass.

I am not proud that it has come to this and that I had to give her this ultimatum. I tried to be better, walk the higher road, do the Godly thing, let her play things out, etc. But she was just taking advantage of me assuming that I would just not worry about it and that if it didn't work out with him she would have me as the backup to continue to support her. Well, I can't do that any more. She has just been using the advice of the counselor as a tool to contiue her affair. Well, she has the choices in front of her, dump dick head and move out here by the 31st or don't. If she, doesn't she knows she has to be out of the house by the 31st and it is not my concern where she goes or how she lives and supports herself and the kids. She gets the 600 month from me and that is it. She will get to be just like her friend who is 4 years younger, two kids and a life of hardship.

Time for her to grow up!
 
Chesty... how exactly are you going to get her out of the house if she decides she's not leaving by the 31st? You two are still married.. and I don't see a judge booting her out with the kids somehow...
 
The world's universal travel is 360 degrees. Everything in motion travels toward its opposite. What goes around, comes around, or what you reap is what you will sow. We must travel these worlds of life, aware or unaware, willing or unwilling. The KEY is not remaining in one place and becoming stagnant (Inertia say that an object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by some external force.) If you are not attached to anything, nothing can hold you back. You must travel through these spheres accumulating knowledge. Here is where the problem lies, getting into and out of life's spheres, or worlds without making any fatal mistakes. You must have guidance.

Every situation that you are exposed to either has something to assist or hinder you. Every experience is different from the previous one. You develop or remain stagnant, but you cannot go back.

Whatever universal energies you have wisely or unwisely set in motion must return to you, their starting point, like a circle completing itself. Within this circle you must stay aware that every secret is told, every injustice (crime) is punished and every act of goodness is rewarded. That is what maintains the balance. The laws when set in motion have the potential to work for us, when we live in accordance to mathematics. It is when we go contradictory and contrary to those principles that these laws work seemingly against us.

Attachment really needs to be examined here; because it is one of the factors which can hold you back and cause you to act contrary to the laws of the universal structure. In coming into new awareness, or holding onto the old thoughts, we find that you can very easily slip into comfort or satisfaction. Your pleasure should be derived from the experience of experiencing, not in trying to be possessive of a particular person, place or thing. The wise understand that you cannot possess anything without being possessed by it.

Can you imagine someone with the knowledge of reality making a choice to turn away from reality because of some attachment in a cycle that they were supposed to just be passing through? Attachment is a fatal mistake.
 
That is not the point, she knows too that her actions will not be seen kindly by the judge which means she would have to file for divorce and I already told her that I would fight that.

My dad and family live there, so they will make sure. If she wants to be a real bitch about it, I will file an eviction notice which will only give her a few extra days.

I think I figured out what you were saying Havoc. Point is that I gave her a choice leave the house and go be with peckerwood or grow up and move out here with me and start acting like you are married and work out our problems with out this influence.

Her choice, she knows the consequences of her choices now and must decide.
 
havoc said:
The world's universal travel is 360 degrees. Everything in motion travels toward its opposite. What goes around, comes around, or what you reap is what you will sow. We must travel these worlds of life, aware or unaware, willing or unwilling. The KEY is not remaining in one place and becoming stagnant (Inertia say that an object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by some external force.) If you are not attached to anything, nothing can hold you back. You must travel through these spheres accumulating knowledge. Here is where the problem lies, getting into and out of life's spheres, or worlds without making any fatal mistakes. You must have guidance.

Every situation that you are exposed to either has something to assist or hinder you. Every experience is different from the previous one. You develop or remain stagnant, but you cannot go back.

Whatever universal energies you have wisely or unwisely set in motion must return to you, their starting point, like a circle completing itself. Within this circle you must stay aware that every secret is told, every injustice (crime) is punished and every act of goodness is rewarded. That is what maintains the balance. The laws when set in motion have the potential to work for us, when we live in accordance to mathematics. It is when we go contradictory and contrary to those principles that these laws work seemingly against us.

Attachment really needs to be examined here; because it is one of the factors which can hold you back and cause you to act contrary to the laws of the universal structure. In coming into new awareness, or holding onto the old thoughts, we find that you can very easily slip into comfort or satisfaction. Your pleasure should be derived from the experience of experiencing, not in trying to be possessive of a particular person, place or thing. The wise understand that you cannot possess anything without being possessed by it.

Can you imagine someone with the knowledge of reality making a choice to turn away from reality because of some attachment in a cycle that they were supposed to just be passing through? Attachment is a fatal mistake.
Look at you sounding all buddha like n shit. You go home slice.
 
Tell her that her playa dayz iz ovvvahhh!

She ain't doing nothing but stalling.
 
10 days really is not much time......you're not leaving her any time to hit the skins with cheater. :)
 
30 days! I'd have that slut out in less than a week. And that's being generous.
 
we'll see how much homeboy likes the cow now that he has to start buying the milk.
 
chesty said:
So either way she will be out of the house by the end of the month. Either with me working this out in TX or on her ass.

No, you don't have a screwed up perception of love.... And she is just as fucked up. You guys are dancing the dance quite nicely.

OK.

Let me explain THE LAW to you.

THERE IS NOT A JUDGE ON EARTH THAT WILL TELL HER TO VACATE THE MARITAL HOME WITH NO PLACE ELSE TO LIVE JUST BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU ANYMORE .

So she doesn't have to do jack shit.

The judge WILL tell her to get a job... She should. There is no reason why she can not earn a living. The children are in school and do not need constant supervision.

You WILL pay spousal support as the marriage is long time. We are talking LIFETIME ALIMONY.

You WILL pay child support. And it will be high as you earn a decent buck and she will probably end up getting minimum wage somewhere.

You two need personal therapy as you are both trainwrecks. I oughtta know as I am waaaaaaaaaay wrecked m'self.

And you two either settle how you will divide mone/assets yourselves or some lawyers are going to get REAL RICH off of the two of you while your kids will be FUBAR bigtime.
 
Guess what, I don't care what the judge says. I will be there this thursday she can either vacate or decide to work it out between us. Either way after the 31 she is gone. I am through playing with her and her games.
 
chesty said:
Guess what, I don't care what the judge says. I will be there this thursday she can either vacate or decide to work it out between us. Either way after the 31 she is gone. I am through playing with her and her games.

You the law now?

"CHESTY IS JAILED FOR TRYING TO EVICT HIS WIFE FROM THE MARITAL HOME HIMSELF - NO LEGAL LEG TO STAND ON - IN FRONT OF THEIR TWO YOUNG CHILDREN"

*news at eleven*
 
chesty said:
Guess what, I don't care what the judge says. I will be there this thursday she can either vacate or decide to work it out between us. Either way after the 31 she is gone. I am through playing with her and her games.

Good approach, try and force a woman who doesn't want to be with you to stay. If I was her I would get a protection order against you as you are not all there.

Get help before you do something stupid.

You know you dont' even talk about the kids, all you talk about is getting this whore back.

At this point she sounds more together then you!
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Good approach, try and force a woman who doesn't want to be with you to stay. If I was her I would get a protection order against you as you are not all there.

Get help before you do something stupid.

You know you dont' even talk about the kids, all you talk about is getting this whore back.

At this point she sounds more together then you!

She is no whore Dawg....

I gave Chesty plenty of time to come clean. We'll see if he does.

I am sick and fucking tired of guys like him going on and on and on about shit when the woman no longer wants them. Not saying the woman didn't do stuff she shouldn't have. It takes two.

HOWEVER,

MOVE IT THE FUCK ON.

GET A DIVORCE AND GET A LIFE.

YOU COULD NOT POSSIBLY MAKE A WOMAN SUFFER ANY MORE THAN YOU DID WHEN SHE WAS MARRIED TO YOU AFTER SHE HAS TOLD YOU SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU ANYMORE!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD ALREADY.

SHE DONT WANT YOU KNOW MORE.
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
Good approach, try and force a woman who doesn't want to be with you to stay. If I was her I would get a protection order against you as you are not all there.

Get help before you do something stupid.

You know you dont' even talk about the kids, all you talk about is getting this whore back.

At this point she sounds more together then you!


See I would just take the part out about staying with me and trying to make it work. I would just focus all my energy on making the bitch suffer. But that's just me
:verygood:
 
sorr werd, I don't care of the circumstances, she cheated, she is whore. He is just as bad if he cheated before.
 
Delinquent said:
See I would just take the part out about staying with me and trying to make it work. I would just focus all my energy on making the bitch suffer. But that's just me
:verygood:


You can not "make a bitch suffer" who don't want your sorry ass n'more.

How can I make this any more clear?
 
But she accepted him back after him cheating. He wanted to be back with her and thus changed for her. Now she doesn't want to be with him nor change so she should be the one moving out of his house. Why should she get the house if SHE's the one that is giving up?
 
Delinquent said:
But she accepted him back after him cheating. He wanted to be back with her and thus changed for her. Now she doesn't want to be with him nor change so she should be the one moving out of his house. Why should she get the house if SHE's the one that is giving up?

Because THEY HAVE CHILDREN!!!

DING DING DING DING

Is everybody so consumed with "this whore" that they are forgetting about that?!

Can the testosterone based creatures that have their heads up their asses PLEASE pull them out?

Funny how he found God and decided that he loves his wife more than life itself only AFTER some other guy wanted her.... But SHE should be grateful?
 
Nubly said:
why are you taking this so personally werd?

Two reasons...

One I can't say... not just yet.

The other is simple really.

I used to be "that bitch" with kids that needed to be made to suffer because she woke the fuck up one day and decided that she didnt want her controlling abusive ex's sorry as no more.

Different names and faces, circumstances a tiny bit different - but the end result is the same.

One controlling asshole husband who just can not accept the fact that for WHATEVER REASON his wife just doesn't want him anymore.

Who is made to suffer?


THE KIDS.
 
Werd said:
Because THEY HAVE CHILDREN!!!

DING DING DING DING

Is everybody so consumed with "this whore" that they are forgetting about that?!

Can the testosterone based creatures that have their heads up their asses PLEASE pull them out?

Funny how he found God and decided that he loves his wife more than life itself only AFTER some other guy wanted her.... But SHE should be grateful?
Werd said:
Two reasons...

One I can't say... not just yet.

The other is simple really.

I used to be "that bitch" with kids that needed to be made to suffer because she woke the fuck up one day and decided that she didnt want her controlling abusive ex's sorry as no more.

Different names and faces, circumstances a tiny bit different - but the end result is the same.

One controlling asshole husband who just can not accept the fact that for WHATEVER REASON his wife just doesn't want him anymore.

Who is made to suffer?


THE KIDS.
Are you trying to fight fire with fire?

See, men have a concept called honor, which is what differentiates the successful from the unsuccessful. She changed her mind, thus she is accountable for finding a solution according to the ethics of marriage. Unless you suppose that she shouldn't be held accountable for her error in vowing loyalty in the first place.

I guess they are both responsible for the kids if we want to be fair.

The fact you used to be in "her" position doesn't mean your perspective is any more correct. Negative emotions usually cause people to have their heads up their asses.

I hope chesty thinks clearly for his and his kids own good. Get her away from you so she doesn't pull you down.
 
Are you trying to fight fire with fire?

See, men have a concept called honor, which is what differentiates the successful from the unsuccessful. She changed her mind, thus she is accountable for finding a solution according to the ethics of marriage. Unless you suppose that she shouldn't be held accountable for her error in vowing loyalty in the first place.

I guess they are both responsible for the kids if we want to be fair.

The fact you used to be in "her" position doesn't mean your perspective is any more correct. Negative emotions usually cause people to have their heads up their asses.

I hope chesty thinks clearly for his and his kids own good. Get her away from you so she doesn't pull you down

I agree, but I dont understand everything. Chesty did you cheat on her before? Also if you knew she was cheating on you why wouldn't you have divorced her already?
 
plornive said:
Are you trying to fight fire with fire?

See, men have a concept called honor, which is what differentiates the successful from the unsuccessful. She changed her mind, thus she is accountable for finding a solution according to the ethics of marriage. Unless you suppose that she shouldn't be held accountable for her error in vowing loyalty in the first place.

I guess they are both responsible for the kids if we want to be fair.

The fact you used to be in "her" position doesn't mean your perspective is any more correct. Negative emotions usually cause people to have their heads up their asses.

I hope chesty thinks clearly for his and his kids own good. Get her away from you so she doesn't pull you down.

I can see what you are saying, however, this story is being told with an unfair slant.

HONOR?

NOT.

He is behaving in many ways, but "honorably" is not one of them.

I am not the only one who can see this. I just happen to be the only woman who chooses to speak out from the "other side of this so-called honor".
 
Werd said:
I can see what you are saying, however, this story is being told with an unfair slant.

HONOR?

NOT.

He is behaving in many ways, but "honorably" is not one of them.

I am not the only one who can see this. I just happen to be the only woman who chooses to speak out from the "other side of this so-called honor".
I think the honorable action would be to get her away from him and share responsibility in taking care of the kids...

I guess you have another perspective... but I don't see what you are suggesting. Should he have to bow to her whims? I don't get it. Should he live with her while she is cheating for the sake of the kids?
 
plornive said:
I think the honorable action would be to get her away from him and share responsibility in taking care of the kids...

I guess you have another perspective... but I don't see what you are suggesting. Should he have to bow to her whims? I don't get it. Should he live with her while she is cheating for the sake of the kids?

You didn't see the part where I said that SHE NEEDS TO GET A J-O-B and pay her fair share, did you? I clearly stated that several times.

He decided to leave the marital home. One of them would have to. Whether it was she get an apartment or him, whether she maintain primary custody with him having the kids whenever he wanted or they share physical custody is totally up to them.

Where did you ever see me print anywhere that she should have her cake and eat it too?

NEVER.

She doesn't want him, fine.

She needs to get a job, pay some bills, be a mother to her children and be free to choose whomever it is that she wants to have in her adult life SEPERATE from her "mommy life". He can say she is a whore that goes out to bars abandoning her kids all he wants. Truth is that most men who make these allegations make them because their "whore ex wives" are only whores who neglect their kids simply for the fact that SHE DONT WANT HIM NO MORE. <----- please note final comment with heavy sarcasm

She gets to go out just like he does as long as the children have suitable childcare, why can they not be allowed to "have a life"? If they FAIL their children by being more focused on their own needs as opposed to what is right for the children they will be SORELY JUDGED... not by anyone here or even by the court... but by the only people that matter in this:

THIER KIDS

Chesty has stated time and time again, that she is a good mother... Is she a bit fucked up in her personal choices for who she is surrounding herself with? I wont disagree... Perhaps she is. But look at fucking Chesty for Christ's sake. He is talking about ILLEGALLY AND FORCEFULLY EVICTING HER FROM THEIR HOME IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS.

Who is the one that is not wrapped too tight?

See anything wrong with anything I suggest?... Please show me where I am favoring her at all.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Yeah,he should take the kids to Texas with him and THEN evict her from the home. That way she can commit full time effort to the new life she's chosen without encumberment.

I know you did not just mean that.

You are waaaaaaaay too intelligent to be making cro-magnun comments like that.
 
Yes she is a whore.
Giving her till the 31st is plenty of time.
KEEP THE KIDS YOU GAWDAMN SLACKER.
She dont deserve the kids, she's the one who fucked up. Get all the help you need with them from friends and family, it's not as hard as you think.
 
Werd said:
Please show me where I am favoring her at all.
Ok, I see where you are going with cooperating for the sake of the kids.

But, if she wants to cheat, she should be the one to strike out and find her own place at some point, while they share the expenses for child raising. She is the one who changed. She cheated!
 
jestros said:
Yes she is a whore.
Giving her till the 31st is plenty of time.
KEEP THE KIDS YOU GAWDAMN SLACKER.
She dont deserve the kids, she's the one who fucked up. Get all the help you need with them from friends and family, it's not as hard as you think.

You have serious issues...

Yea taking care of kids that you really don't want, just want to take them from their mother to spite her for dumping your sorry ass isn't *that* hard.

Shit, taking care of kids is EASY...
 
plornive said:
Ok, I see where you are going with cooperating for the sake of the kids.

But, if she wants to cheat, she should be the one to strike out and find her own place at some point, while they share the expenses for child raising. She is the one who changed. She cheated!

CORRECTION....


THEY BOTH CHEATED!
 
Werd said:
You have serious issues...

Yea taking care of kids that you really don't want, just want to take them from their mother to spite her for dumping your sorry ass isn't *that* hard.

Shit, taking care of kids is EASY...
By "you" you mean chesty?
Where did he say he doesnt want them? Did she dump "his sorry ass"? If so, then why isnt she gone.
Im sorry but I dont think your mind can differentiate between your one situation and someone else's. Because you keep bringing up things that have nothing to do with chesty.
You dont care about him, his wife or the kids. You just want to feel better about you're own sorry situation.
Make your own damn thread about it, jeezus.
 
Werd said:
THEY BOTH CHEATED!
Did he really, cause I've never seen him post that. Is he still currently cheating and doesnt want to stop just like her?
Or is this all coming out of your delusional noodle?
 
jestros said:
Did he really, cause I've never seen him post that. Is he still currently cheating and doesnt want to stop just like her?
Or is this all coming out of your delusional noodle?

I'll let Chesty reply.

Funny though, it seems that you say that I am the only one with a delusional noodle.... yet EVERY SINGLE POST ON THIS AND MANY OTHER THREADS THAT HE HAS RECENTLY AUTHORED CONCURR WITH MY POINTS OF VIEW.

Care to 'splain to me how that is?
 
jestros said:
By "you" you mean chesty?
Where did he say he doesnt want them? Did she dump "his sorry ass"? If so, then why isnt she gone.
Im sorry but I dont think your mind can differentiate between your one situation and someone else's. Because you keep bringing up things that have nothing to do with chesty.
You dont care about him, his wife or the kids. You just want to feel better about you're own sorry situation.
Make your own damn thread about it, jeezus.


LOL

Sorry but YOU are wrong again.

My situation is anything but sorry. Tough? hell yes, sorry? NOT BY A LONG SHOT. I am more of a MAN than you could ever hope to be and I say that because I, unlike you, have balls.

;)
 
This is how I 'splain it Lucy,
the dude has obviously got his heart crushed, he doesnt know what the hell is going on or what the hell to do. (no offense bro) That is what happens when your life gets turned upside down.
My advise to him would be to not listen to you, as you think all men in this situation are at fault. You are constantly bashing him and belittling him, he would do well to put you on ignore.
 
Werd said:
LOL

Sorry but YOU are wrong again.

My situation is anything but sorry. Tough? hell yes, sorry? NOT BY A LONG SHOT. I am more of a MAN than you could ever hope to be and I say that because I, unlike you, have balls.

;)
Argueing with you is fun because you quote me, but totally ignore all my points. Were you talking about ME or CHESTY? If "she doesn't want his sorry ass" why doesnt she leave on her own?

And about the balls you got, maybe you oughta go a little lighter on the test shots.
 
Werd said:
Because THEY HAVE CHILDREN!!!

DING DING DING DING

Can the testosterone based creatures that have their heads up their asses PLEASE pull them out?
For REAL :mix:
 
jestros said:
This is how I 'splain it Lucy,
the dude has obviously got his heart crushed, he doesnt know what the hell is going on or what the hell to do. (no offense bro) That is what happens when your life gets turned upside down.
My advise to him would be to not listen to you, as you think all men in this situation are at fault. You are constantly bashing him and belittling him, he would do well to put you on ignore.

Wwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh Ricky!

Funny, you say Chesty should put me on ignore.

Duly noted.

The problem with that is that he would also have to put EVERYONE ELSE... 'CEPT YOU on ignore as well! :worried:





:FRlol:



And in situations such as this.... THE MEN ARE AT FAULT when they can't stop thinking past their own bruised egos and go on kamikaze missions to take down their ex's FOREVER damaging their children.

But then again, your experience in this arena is vast. You have made THAT abundantly clear.
 
Werd said:
DING DING DING DING

Can the testosterone based creatures that have their heads up their asses PLEASE pull them out?
For Real-- is this feat possible??? :mix:
 
Werd said:
And in situations such as this.... THE MEN ARE AT FAULT when they can't stop thinking past their own bruised egos and go on kamikaze missions to take down their ex's FOREVER damaging their children.

But then again, your experience in this arena is vast. You have made THAT abundantly clear.

Wow, that is a one sided perspective. I have seen innumerous instances where the WOMAN did the same thing and went out of their way to keep the man from seeing or having even part time custody of the children. Even so much as moving out of state. From my experience women have been SIGNIFICANLY more viscious about doing this than any man I've ever seen.
 
Werd said:
I guess according to Jsteros (or whatever) Chesty would do well to put YOU on ignore too! LOL

Werd, and L7. Check it out, it chest had cheated, and his wife cheated, but they both felt bad and wanted to work it out I would not take sides at all.
If I understand it right, she is still cheating and wont make a commitment to stop.
L7 do you think that is ok? Is it just because I'm a guy I think thats wrong?
Maybe men should just let thier wives cheat, because it's the mens fault they cheat?
 
well surely chesty can decide to rent the house out, or demand a half rent payment from her. if she cant afford it, (sounds like she cant) then one way or the other, she will be out of the house.

chesty mate you should have said and done all this a long time ago. i ahve found that once you hold your head up and take what is yours (particularly self respect) then the other person comes running back. people are such fickle creatures.

good luck
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Wow, that is a one sided perspective. I have seen innumerous instances where the WOMAN did the same thing and went out of their way to keep the man from seeing or having even part time custody of the children. Even so much as moving out of state. From my experience women have been SIGNIFICANLY more viscious about doing this than any man I've ever seen.

Are their women out there that should be fucking bitchslapped till the sun goes down for keeping a child from their father?

HELL THE FUCK YES

Even if he is NOT paying childsupport - SHE STILL MUST ALLOW THAT CHILD TO BE WITH THEIR FATHER.

Why?

Because if nothing else, that child will be able to see JUST WHAT AN ASSHOLE THEIR FATHER TRULY IS FIRST HAND. Anyone who makes an asshole into a martyr is plain fucking DUMB.

Me personally, I have never EVER kept my kids from their dad - even when THE LAW SAID I SHOULD! This clearly demonstrates that I have issues. I am getting counseling to rectify this situation.

But this is not what we are talking about here. My saying that this women needs to get a job and contribute, I thought, was enough to let you all know that I don't give a fuck about her. She doesn't want him - FINE. Then get the fucking divorce and get over it already.

EVERYONE MOVE ON.

I get INFURIATED BEYOND WORDS when I hear all this trumped up "whore talk" because it does not amount to a hill of fucking beans in the grand scheme of things.

There are GOBS of men that cheat and ditch their wives and kids to chase tail. Who gets stuck holding the bag in ALL respects? THE WOMAN.

Who is the only one that gets fucked though?

THE KIDS.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
well surely chesty can decide to rent the house out, or demand a half rent payment from her. if she cant afford it, (sounds like she cant) then one way or the other, she will be out of the house.

chesty mate you should have said and done all this a long time ago. i ahve found that once you hold your head up and take what is yours (particularly self respect) then the other person comes running back. people are such fickle creatures.

good luck

SHE NEEDS TO GET A JOB.

He is dutibound to help support the household that his children reside in. Regardless of whose choice it was to end the marriage or why, the children deserve a safe and stable place to live.

If there were no kids involved - I concurr. He should have started the legal process to get her out... YESTERDAY. But he chose to stay all those years as well.
 
jestros said:
Werd, and L7. Check it out, it chest had cheated, and his wife cheated, but they both felt bad and wanted to work it out I would not take sides at all.
If I understand it right, she is still cheating and wont make a commitment to stop.
L7 do you think that is ok? Is it just because I'm a guy I think thats wrong?
Maybe men should just let thier wives cheat, because it's the mens fault they cheat?

You do NOT understand it correctly. Oddly enough though, everyone else on this thread does...

What is the problem?
 
Werd said:
Are their women out there that should be fucking bitchslapped till the sun goes down for keeping a child from their father?

HELL THE FUCK YES

Even if he is NOT paying childsupport - SHE STILL MUST ALLOW THAT CHILD TO BE WITH THEIR FATHER.

Why?

Because if nothing else, that child will be able to see JUST WHAT AN ASSHOLE THEIR FATHER TRULY IS FIRST HAND. Anyone who makes an asshole into a martyr is plain fucking DUMB.

Me personally, I have never EVER kept my kids from their dad - even when THE LAW SAID I SHOULD! This clearly demonstrates that I have issues. I am getting counseling to rectify this situation.

But this is not what we are talking about here. My saying that this women needs to get a job and contribute, I thought, was enough to let you all know that I don't give a fuck about her. She doesn't want him - FINE. Then get the fucking divorce and get over it already.

EVERYONE MOVE ON.

I get INFURIATED BEYOND WORDS when I hear all this trumped up "whore talk" because it does not amount to a hill of fucking beans in the grand scheme of things.

There are GOBS of men that cheat and ditch their wives and kids to chase tail. Who gets stuck holding the bag in ALL respects? THE WOMAN.

Who is the only one that gets fucked though?

THE KIDS.

The "whore talk" is a bunch of crap, especially since it doesn't take into account the male cheating aspect of it.

Women are NOT the only ones stuck holding the bag. I don't recall the site right off hand, but there is a men's rights group site dealing with men's rights in a divorce that would spin you completely upside down at some of the injustices done to men in custody and divorce cases. The court systems and enforcment of the rules/laws are utterly in favor of a woman. Which is where the whole proving the mother as unfit comes in. It's the ONLY mechanism the law permits as reasons for altered custody when a woman decides to take her revenge out by using the children as weapons.

A woman is the default individual for primary custody, even in cases where the man is the house husband and the wife has a career. And what is worse, since he didn't have a solid job, the career woman not only gets the kids, the men most often do not get alimony etc as a woman would in the SAME case if the roles were reversed. It's not fair, it's not equal and in both cases the kids lose out.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
The "whore talk" is a bunch of crap, especially since it doesn't take into account the male cheating aspect of it.

Women are NOT the only ones stuck holding the bag. I don't recall the site right off hand, but there is a men's rights group site dealing with men's rights in a divorce that would spin you completely upside down at some of the injustices done to men in custody and divorce cases. The court systems and enforcment of the rules/laws are utterly in favor of a woman. Which is where the whole proving the mother as unfit comes in. It's the ONLY mechanism the law permits as reasons for altered custody when a woman decides to take her revenge out by using the children as weapons.

A woman is the default individual for primary custody, even in cases where the man is the house husband and the wife has a career. And what is worse, since he didn't have a solid job, the career woman not only gets the kids, the men most often do not get alimony etc as a woman would in the SAME case if the roles were reversed. It's not fair, it's not equal and in both cases the kids lose out.

Nope, sorry there isn't a damned thing that you could tell me that would spin my head around as my head has been spun beyond the realm of EVERYONE's comprehension.

Two biggest lies divorce attornies tell to their clients based on gender.

1 - "He has to support you in the same fashion he did while you were married."

WRONG! Get a fucking job. (Unless there are very small children that need care.)

2 - "You can take custody from her. Then you'll have to pay less support. Fuck that whore."

WRONG! Unless she has murdered someone or robbed a bank IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

So now, lengthy battle ensues... lawyers get rich. Both man and woman go through emotional hell.

KIDS GET FUCKED.


A mother SHOULD be favored. Period. Everyone else in the world recognizes this except white american men. No where else in the world are men allowed to manipulate the law using their kids just to fuck with the mother.

Are there men who get treated a bit unfairly sometimes? No doubt. Are there many that get out and out screwed? Of course, but by and large it is ALWAYS (if purely based on biology alone) the woman that is left holding the bag. WE KNOW THIS GOING INTO IT.

PS - Did yall understand the white american men reference? Who are the majority of lawyers (judges are lawyers too) in the US?....

DING DING DING

WHITE AMERICAN MEN.

Silly fools, don't even realize that you guys are being taken advantage of by each other....

We could argue this till the cows come home but we are in agreement that in all of this lunacy there is only one true victim:

THE CHILD.

Sad, sad, sad....

Shame on BOTH genders when they use their children to fuck with the other.
 
Werd said:
A mother SHOULD be favored. Period. Everyone else in the world recognizes this except white american men. No where else in the world are men allowed to manipulate the law using their kids just to fuck with the mother.

#1 A man can want custody of his children because he loves them, and not to "fuck with thier mother"
#2 A woman should not be favored, a male makes a better single parent as he can provide the disciple a child needs. If a 16 year old boy doesnt want to listen to his mom, there arent many ways she can make him.

Contrary to the world that werd lives in, there are more and more fathers getting custody of their kids every year.
 
jestros said:
#1 A man can want custody of his children because he loves them, and not to "fuck with thier mother"
#2 A woman should not be favored, a male makes a better single parent as he can provide the disciple a child needs. If a 16 year old boy doesnt want to listen to his mom, there arent many ways she can make him.

Contrary to the world that werd lives in, there are more and more fathers getting custody of their kids every year.

*wink*

OK

I guess the US just knows better than the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD.

You keep telling yourself that.
 
PS - you cited disciplining a 16 year old boy to support your arguement. What difference would the age/gender of a child make to discipline? If ANY child is taught respect and selfrespect none of that should make a difference. Are you implying that A MAN would be a better disciplinarian based on the fact that he could PROBABLY beat a 16 year old boy down?... whereas the mother might not be able to physically?


You have a daughter.... do you not?


Please explain.



...only because YOU SAID.

Enlighten me.... I soooooooo want to know. :)
 
Bigdawg1468 said:
This thread is gotten to insane for this cowboy LOL
Oh come on now. It is just getting good.

I want to give Mr Jetsros here an opportunity to explain himself as well as he did Chesty's last thread before he put his tail between his legs and ran. :)
 
A kid only needs real discipline if you raised it shitty or he/she is stupid.

Me and my friends are all doing well, we're the graduating honours class, none of us have been in contact with law enforcement and we did well in school.

Not one person in this class was spanked as a child. Not one. The people that I do know that have been "disciplined" as a child, I don't get along with.
They're not critical or sceptical of things around them enough. they come across to me as being naive. There's a difference between criticism and disrespect.

Anyway to each their own, I know that most people who got spanked in a non abusive, consistent, reasonable fashion by a rational parent, grow up to be glad they were as they feel it made them a better person. However those who weren't say the same thing.

In my eyes, spanking is a shortcut to parenting. If your kid won't listen to anything but physical pain, you've already made a wrong turn somewhere.
 
Werd said:
PS - you cited disciplining a 16 year old boy to support your arguement. What difference would the age/gender of a child make to discipline? If ANY child is taught respect and selfrespect none of that should make a difference. Are you implying that A MAN would be a better disciplinarian based on the fact that he could PROBABLY beat a 16 year old boy down?... whereas the mother might not be able to physically?
You have a daughter.... do you not?
Please explain.
...only because YOU SAID.
Enlighten me.... I soooooooo want to know. :)
In this situation, broken home, ugly divorce
a child is likely to have some problems. If that child is male, and lives with his mother it will likely lead to a situtuation where the mom will tell the kid to do something, and the kid says "make me"
This is very common in america today
If some guys want to chime in, it is pretty common when growing up, and you THINK your a grown up to challenge your parents like this. Who do you think is more capable to deal with this situation, or father or a mother?

Robert Jan said:
A kid only needs real discipline if you raised it shitty or he/she is stupid.

Me and my friends are all doing well, we're the graduating honours class, none of us have been in contact with law enforcement and we did well in school.

Not one person in this class was spanked as a child. Not one.
For one thing, I wasnt talking about spanking, and how many kids do you have?
I was also talking about kids who are raised by a single parent, which parent were you raised by?
Im going to guess you were raised by 2 caring parents, in which case, your example does not belong in this situation.
 
Werd said:
Oh come on now. It is just getting good.

I want to give Mr Jetsros here an opportunity to explain himself as well as he did Chesty's last thread before he put his tail between his legs and ran. :)
Oh yeah, and if america is so f-ed up and backwards, try the middle east, women who cheat get a much better deal there.
 
Werd said:
A mother SHOULD be favored. Period. Everyone else in the world recognizes this except white american men. No where else in the world are men allowed to manipulate the law using their kids just to fuck with the mother.

And exactly why SHOULD a woman be favored?
 
Chesty, don't do anything dumb.
You both know it's over. Instead of this eviction business..
You should be following the instructions of your council/ lawyers
to a T. If you don't have one, get one NOW!!
They will instruct you with everything.

And I think everyone in this thread need a fucking chill pill.
Chesty is everyone's friend so ofcourse people here are gonna side with
him. Has nothing to do with his sex
Werd said:
....WHITE AMERICAN MEN
Thats not called for....at all!
 
strongsmartsexy said:
And exactly why SHOULD a woman be favored?

If you have to ask the question then there is no need for any further discussion. You are a man. You will never understand this. There are many who do. But that doesnt mean that you all do. C'est la vie.

Women have been mother AND father to their children since the beginning of time. Biology dictates... not me.

Any woman who does not accept this from the moment her childhood ends should just slit her own throat... or have her tubes tied.

Are there men who are BEYOND WONDERFUL single parents? YES - I have friends that fit that bill. Oddly enough they did EVERYTHING to keep the children WITH their mother, until it was obvious that it was no longer the best situation for the child. They only took those children when there was no other alternative and it was with a heavy heart... NOT WITH VENGENCE AND GLEE.

Having said that... it takes an entire village to raise just one child. If you all can not see that, then again, there is nothing I can say.

I am still waiting for ONE REASON why all things being equal (meaning that there is no REAL drug abuse, violence, mental illness or other REAL ISSUE that would impair a person's ability to be a good parent) a man is EVER the better parent.

Jetsros talks about giving a teenage boy a proper beat down....


And I am the one that has issues?
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
Chesty, don't do anything dumb.
You both know it's over. Instead of this eviction business..
You should be following the instructions of your council/ lawyers
to a T. If you don't have one, get one NOW!!
They will instruct you with everything.

And I think everyone in this thread need a fucking chill pill.
Chesty is everyone's friend so ofcourse people here are gonna side with
him. Has nothing to do with his sex

Thats not called for....at all!

I know Chesty PERSONALLY PEOPLE!

DING DING DING



He is out of control and doing shit that is not right. Sorry, but I am calling it JUST LIKE EVERYBODY SEES IT....


And, I am speaking truth about the white American men thing... sorry, but it is true. Black men, Asian men, Latin men and men in other countries wouldn't even THINK to drag their ex's through a nasty custody battle just to get out of paying support. They may skip town in order to avoid paying, true... but that is only money. A kid could get over their father being a dick not paying support... but to purposely fuck on them and use them as pawns JUST TO FUCK THEIR MOTHER? I think they would have a harder time dealing with that.

I have spoken to far too many adult children of divorce to believe otherwise.
 
jestros said:
Oh yeah, and if america is so f-ed up and backwards, try the middle east, women who cheat get a much better deal there.

How about Canada, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Iceland, Holland.... etc etc etc...

CHESTY CHEATED TOO!!!! LOL
 
Werd said:
If you have to ask the question then there is no need for any further discussion. You are a man. You will never understand this. There are many who do. But that doesnt mean that you all do. C'est la vie.

bla bla bla

I am still waiting for ONE REASON why all things being equal...
Shit, you didnt give him one reason, why the hell should he give you one?
Well, I gave you a reason, and a very common situation what did you say?
Werd said:
Jetsros talks about giving a teenage boy a proper beat down....


And I am the one that has issues?
Thanks for that informative reply, just lovely. And where did I say the kid needs to be beat down?
 
jestros said:
Shit, you didnt give him one reason, why the hell should he give you one?
Well, I gave you a reason, and a very common situation what did you say?

Thanks for that informative reply, just lovely. And where did I say the kid needs to be beat down?


You gave me NO REASON - except to say that a man would be a better disciplinarian to a 16 year old boy. YOUR WORDS NOT MINE.

Odd words though, coming from the father of a LITTLE GIRL.
 
Werd said:
You gave me NO REASON - except to say that a man would be a better disciplinarian to a 16 year old boy. YOUR WORDS NOT MINE.

Odd words though, coming from the father of a LITTLE GIRL.
Ok, so I gave you 1 reason, you gave 0
jestros 1
werd 0


Ok so a father of a little girl can not say that a father can better discipline a teenage boy? Just trying to check on your logic.
 
Werd said:
Black men, Asian men, Latin men and men in other countries wouldn't even THINK to drag their ex's through a nasty custody battle just to get out of paying support. They may skip town in order to avoid paying, true... but that is only money.
I agree 100%, skipping town all together and leaving the mother and children with nothing is definitely the way to go. :devil:
 
Werd said:
If you have to ask the question then there is no need for any further discussion. You are a man. You will never understand this. There are many who do. But that doesnt mean that you all do. C'est la vie.

Women have been mother AND father to their children since the beginning of time. Biology dictates... not me.

Having said that... it takes an entire village to raise just one child. If you all can not see that, then again, there is nothing I can say.

I am still waiting for ONE REASON why all things being equal (meaning that there is no REAL drug abuse, violence, mental illness or other REAL ISSUE that would impair a person's ability to be a good parent) a man is EVER the better parent.

And I am the one that has issues?

So, let me see if I understand this correctly. I ask you WHY and your response if I have to ask then there is no need for further discussion, and that I'm a man so I'll never understand. That has to be one of the singlely most retarded statements made in this thread yet.

Then you make the statement about "biology dictating" since the beginning of time. Now THAT I'd love to see proof of.

Not sure what relevance the village to raise as child has to do with it.

Then after all of this you want a reason why a man is a better parent. I would refer you to the answer to gave me in the first paragraph but that would be too easy. Secondarily, it's not about whether is a better parent, merely is he as good of a parent.

Why should a man have any less responsibility for the care and providing of his children than the mother? And, many men have done so after the loss of a spouse due to death, severe illness and the woman just getting up and walking out for greener pastures. Or are you of the persuasion that the man is only good for donating the sperm and money and outside of that he should just leave it alone?

I love patriarchal viewpoints. ;) *sigh*
 
It's not as if a mother can't be tough or even spank a kid if she feels it is needed.

BTW I do feel I need to defend men here. There is an epidemic of men who have never abused their child in any way who are not allowed to see their child and can't get custody because the law favours women in this.

If both parents want to see their kid and have their kid, neither have ever committed a crime or abused this child and both are financially capable of supporting it, the woman will win the case. Not only because of the subjectivity and emotional judgement of officials, but because that is how it is emphatically written down in the law. Here in Holland at least.

Such a law is unconstitutional and backward.

Don't give me the stereotypes, of the father who drinks and beats his kids and the mother who loves them and does everything in the world for them.

Recent studies even show that domestic abuse and negligence is nowhere near as male dominated by average as most people still believe. This is mainly caused by men being strong, but it doesn't take a strong person to hurt a child. Women can often be more emotional and irrational.

There are some FUCKED UP IRRESPONSIBLE moms out there and some amazing fathers and each case should be viewed individually.

BTW I'm in no way suggesting favouring the male. I just think the law should not discriminate here.
 
Robert Jan said:
It's not as if a mother can't be tough or even spank a kid if she feels it is needed.

BTW I do feel I need to defend men here. There is an epidemic of men who have never abused their child in any way who are not allowed to see their child and can't get custody because the law favours women in this.

If both parents want to see their kid and have their kid, neither have ever committed a crime or abused this child and both are financially capable of supporting it, the woman will win the case. Not only because of the subjectivity and emotional judgement of officials, but because that is how it is emphatically written down in the law. Here in Holland at least.

Such a law is unconstitutional and backward.

Don't give me the stereotypes, of the father who drinks and beats his kids and the mother who loves them and does everything in the world for them.

There are some FUCKED UP IRRESPONSIBLE moms out there and some amazing fathers and each case should be viewed individually.

I didn't have this difficulty when my marriage ended in divorce, but I had a couple friends who's wives would prevent them from being able to see their children as a form of punishment or just spite. They even outright LIED in court to prevent them from having any visitation. It was really sad to see.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
So, let me see if I understand this correctly. I ask you WHY and your response if I have to ask then there is no need for further discussion, and that I'm a man so I'll never understand. That has to be one of the singlely most retarded statements made in this thread yet.

Then you make the statement about "biology dictating" since the beginning of time. Now THAT I'd love to see proof of.

Not sure what relevance the village to raise as child has to do with it.

Then after all of this you want a reason why a man is a better parent. I would refer you to the answer to gave me in the first paragraph but that would be too easy. Secondarily, it's not about whether is a better parent, merely is he as good of a parent.

Why should a man have any less responsibility for the care and providing of his children than the mother? And, many men have done so after the loss of a spouse due to death, severe illness and the woman just getting up and walking out for greener pastures. Or are you of the persuasion that the man is only good for donating the sperm and money and outside of that he should just leave it alone?

I love patriarchal viewpoints. ;) *sigh*

Oh gosh... you had to go there.

*sigh*

BIOLOGY DOES DICTATE. I have to draw you a diagram for this one? There is an expression in my language "You can have one thousand fathers but ONLY ONE MOTHER."

next

The "reason" of a man being a better parent because of some "idea" that a man would be able to more effectively "control" a 16 year old boy (no woman EVER became a widow.... right - only ugly divorces account for single parenting) came from the father of a little girl. I find this odd. Why is HE the better parent then?

Man hater? Hardly... The sexes were created to work synergistically. I have NEVER advocated that woman take her children from their father. NEVER. You on the other hand HAVE advocated that a father RIP their child from their mother. There is something wrong with you.

Hehehehehehehehehe

You SHOULD TAKE IT PERSONALLY, Mr Jetsros... the father of a little girl couldn't come up with ONE VALID REASON why he is the better parent? Did her mother die? Is she a junkie? Did she just skate out on her daughter never calling or wanting to see her or call the school to ask about her progress? Send her cards,etc? Does she NEVER want that child around?


Funny to get me going?

Darlin'.... It is funny to watch you show your TRUE COLORS. :) Now THAT is funny.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
I didn't have this difficulty when my marriage ended in divorce, but I had a couple friends who's wives would prevent them from being able to see their children as a form of punishment or just spite. They even outright LIED in court to prevent them from having any visitation. It was really sad to see.
THIS IS CRIMINAL.

You will never EVER hear me advocate any one using their child as a pawn to hurt the other.

I have seen many men though, advocate that Chesty (or other instances) rip a child from their mother in order to avoid paying support AND to fuck her so forgive me if I stand up and chide them. :)
 
Robert Jan said:
There are some FUCKED UP IRRESPONSIBLE moms out there and some amazing fathers and each case should be viewed individually.
I think that these women should be penalized even more harshly than the men. THEY ARE MOTHERS - THEY MUST BE BETTER.

They have been given the gift of bearing life.... an awesome, awesome responsibility. If they can not or do not want that then they should give it up, pure and simple.
 
Werd said:
Oh gosh... you had to go there.

*sigh*

BIOLOGY DOES DICTATE. I have to draw you a diagram for this one? There is an expression in my language "You can have one thousand fathers but ONLY ONE MOTHER."

next

The "reason" of a man being a better parent because of some "idea" that a man would be able to more effectively "control" a 16 year old boy (no woman EVER became a widow.... right - only ugly divorces account for single parenting) came from the father of a little girl. I find this odd. Why is HE the better parent then?

Man hater? Hardly... The sexes were created to work synergistically. I have NEVER advocated that woman take her children from their father. NEVER. You on the other hand HAVE advocated that a father RIP their child from their mother. There is something wrong with you.

Hehehehehehehehehe

You SHOULD TAKE IT PERSONALLY, Mr Jetsros... the father of a little girl couldn't come up with ONE VALID REASON why he is the better parent? Did her mother die? Is she a junkie? Did she just skate out on her daughter never calling or wanting to see her or call the school to ask about her progress? Send her cards,etc? Does she NEVER want that child around?


Funny to get me going?

Darlin'.... It is funny to watch you show your TRUE COLORS. :) Now THAT is funny.


Um, errr, you need to address my comments and jethros separately. You're confusing answers to his stuff on referrences to my posts. Almost all of your comments on this post dealt with HIS comments in his previous posts, which isn't helping either of us.

The biololgy comments and answers are so far just expressions of form, but not giving any substance.
 
Werd said:
Oh gosh... you had to go there.

BIOLOGY DOES DICTATE. I have to draw you a diagram for this one? There is an expression in my language "You can have one thousand fathers but ONLY ONE MOTHER."
Hehehehehehehehehe

Darlin'.... It is funny to watch you show your TRUE COLORS. :) Now THAT is funny.

Ok, you must have taken a different biology class than me but
EVEN IF
a child is conceived durning a gang bang (you might have some inside info on this) only one sperm can fertilize the egg

you still havent given one reason so....


jestros 1
werd 0










Ok, Ive got a hypothetical situation...

A woman goes to court, signs over the children to her now ex husband, leaves the country for one solid year. Meanwhile the abusive ex as we call it, cares for the children, gets them to school, the doctor, plays etc. All the while the mother is living it up, jet setting accross..well, let's just say Paris France...Gets bored and comes back. Then decides she wants the kids and house back...

At this point, does she deserve them...

YES OR NO?
 
jestros said:
Ok, you must have taken a different biology class than me but
EVEN IF
a child is conceived durning a gang bang (you might have some inside info on this) only one sperm can fertilize the egg

you still havent given one reason so....


jestros 1
werd 0










Ok, Ive got a hypothetical situation...

A woman goes to court, signs over the children to her now ex husband, leaves the country for one solid year. Meanwhile the abusive ex as we call it, cares for the children, gets them to school, the doctor, plays etc. All the while the mother is living it up, jet setting accross..well, let's just say Paris France...Gets bored and comes back. Then decides she wants the kids and house back...

At this point, does she deserve them...

YES OR NO?

HEhehehehehehehheheheheee

You make me smile....

Now here is a more realistic scenario....

Man's wife gets tired of his abusive controlling ass - kicks him to the curb but he drags her and their ONE LITTLE GIRL through and endless barage of court drama costing irrepairable emotional harm to that one little girl, not to mention unbelievable financial cost. The mother lays down to spare her child more hell. Leaves to build a new life trusting that the father won't her her child anymore. The man now kicks his heels with glee as he explains to his little girl, "Mommy abandoned you because.....?"

What do YOU tell your daughter darlin?... when she asks you why her mommy abandoned her?

Or do you tell her the truth?!



......Oh yes, I forgot. You are the better parent because you can beat down a 16 year old boy. *wink*

GOTCHA ;)
 
Your hypothetical situation *might* be funny if it had a shred of truth to it.

However, MY description of YOUR situation is DEAD ON.

Jetrosr 0

Werd - game, set and match.

(and before you even TRY to go there... there is one board member who has seen legal documents that will back EVERYTHING I can say about my situation. I don't need to prove jack shit to a pathetic excuse for a man like you... What do you tell YOUR DAUGHTER about why her mommy abandoned her?)
 
Werd said:
The sexes were created to work synergistically. Funny to get me going?

Darlin'.... It is funny to watch you show your TRUE COLORS. :) Now THAT is funny.
True Dat!
:lmao:
:twirl:
 
Werd said:
What do you know?

You are probably just a whore like the rest of us!!

Hhehehehehehehehehee
:kiss:
:angel:
 
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