I kept estro too low... inhibited gains slightly

[Vascular Freak]

I ran 14 weeks of test eq primo with some winstrol on the front and back end. Throughout the cycle I was using 50-75 mg provrion and 2-4 pumps of aifm.

The past 2 weeks I have only been on test prop, winstrol and 50mg proviron. I feel much healthier since I have a little more estro in my system. Strength is way up, and I the pump in an d out of the gym is much better.

I think I was paranoid about having high estro levels and killed to much E. Next time I will try letting my estro stay a bit higher and see what kind of gains I get. I think I can achieve better gains with less gear, even when my goal is to add ONLY lean mass.

 

[drdug27]

its like the three bears....too much estro, gyno....too little, inhibits gains a bit...just right gains and no gyno. and what stinks is it takes you a couple weeks to figure it out.

 

[Ulter]

No. Actually you got stronger because you switched to winny. At that point in your cycle your strength and gains stall. Many people add winny to their test at that point and get a big boost. More estrogen does not mean more gains.

 

[pitbullrocco]

there you go! another great example of a good bro learning via experience......hence, the wisdom behind these great boards!!

 

[Vascular Freak]

No. Actually you got stronger because you switched to winny. At that point in your cycle your strength and gains stall. Many people add winny to their test at that point and get a big boost. More estrogen does not mean more gains.

The winstrol helped big time, but I was running winstrol for three weeks with high AI and didn't feel a real kick until I dropped all AI except for proviron. My e is up a bit, I can tell because my waist bloats up just a tad. But my muscles feel real pumped for most of the day, and its also much easier to get a pump even doing the simplest things like walking up stairs.

When I was anhilating (sp?) my estro I felt weak, lethargic, and just wanted to sleep. Now the beast comes out!..... but its time for pct

I am estro-phobic as well as carbo-phobic, once I get my head on straight I will become one sick specimen, untilthen I will remain 185 lbs and dry as fuck

 

[macrophage69alpha]

too little estrogen will inhibit gains, partly for the reasons that you indicated (lethargy, tiredness, dry joints, etc) however as ulter indicated more than that wont increase gains.

 

[20ss02]

Trying to find the sweet spot can be tough. I'm not gyno prone, but I'm bloat-phobic. Two pumps of AIFM twice per day was drying me out a bit too much, and I was somewhat lethargic. It was particularly difficult to tell because Trex makes you feel alert, which masked the problem for me. I'm now on one pump twice per day and starting to feel much better.