I have a very serious question..............

[emptywallet]

Last night, at 11:45, one of my best friends , Andrew, died in a car accident. We grew up together, went through elementary, middle and high school. Ive never felt such a sense of loss and an emptyness inside. We talked about everything together. One thing that was frequently disscussed was gear use. He knew about my usage and took my advice to wait a while and learn first before using. He started three days ago. 75mg of fina EOD. I got him everything I thought he would need and took all the usual precauctions that everyone does with fina. I.E clomid after, cranberry extract, winny for the prog gyno, yah know the rest. His parents were always very strict on any type of drugs, smoking, drinking since we were little. Even though were both 21, I thought it best for him not to say anything to anyone about it. MY question is this. Yesterday afternoon he took his second shot of fina. Last night I had so many horrible dreams about the fina causing complications or something and that he would have lived if he had not been taking it. He was pronounced DOA at the scene of the accident. They hadnt been drinking or anything. Andrew was the passenger and my other good friend Flo was the driver, flo was released last night with a broken wrist. Back to my question. They took Andrew to Dallas for an autopsy (sp). Im sure they will run all types of tests. Would the fina show up on the test? Dont get me wrong here, im in no way implying that if the fina had something to do with his death that I wouldnt do anything. I would tell his parents and authorities immediately. Its just that I dont want to cause his parents anymore grief about finding that there son was using gear or anything else than they have already been through. Im not worried that the fina caused the accident, since he was fine all last night when I saw him with flo before they left. But I cant help but wonder if the fina might have caused a complication ( maybe it made him bleed more than usual or something i dunno). It was only his third day, he had taken two shots, so I dunno. But anyway, sorry so long

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I'm sorry for your loss. I would wait for the autopsy results because if he was pronounced dead at the seen, his injuries were probably too severe for any secondary issue to have hurt or helped him. Again, very sorry to hear your story- AD

 

[athlete03]

Sorry to hear that. I doubt they'd test for AS, but if they did, the tren would show up.

 

[Zyglamail]

I dont think fina had anything to do with it. The only thing I could thing of is perhaps he had elevated blood preasure which caused other problems that could perhaps intensify his injuries. However, he had not been on it long enough to get any sides and secondly fina does not affect BP much. Mine has been steady at 120-128 over 80-84 and I am over 4 weeks into a fina/winny cycle.

P.S. Sorry for your loss bro.

 

[emptywallet]

Thank you for your replies and support. I really appreciate it. Yeah, he was only on for three days. Well, really like 2.75 he had the wreck on the third day. Im just wondering if I should tell his parents about it now or wait. Im pretty sure im gonna wait unless the results show something. Im going to tell them eventually, but for the time being unless something comes up, ill let it be. Do they do routine tests for steroids in an autopsy? or anything like that? Seems to be they would test for just about everything? Or is it just the standard drugs and alcohol?

 

[DREXX]

I feel for you...

The fina didn't cause any complactions. I can assure you.

If anything it or any other AAS would have made him stronger to survive the accident.

They won't test for AAS so the fina wont show up.

Anyway he hadn't been on long enough to see the benefits or side effects from the tren so it isn't a factor at all.

Don't feel guilty you didn't contribute to any of this.

 

[kneedeep0]

thx for the post.I've read that you must let the greiving process take as long as it needs.

 

[emptywallet]

Thanx fellahs, I really appreciate all your support.

 

[Big Johnson]

They won't test for AS. They will look for an exact cause of death and only start doing blood tests if they can't find one. Even then, they will be looking for alcohol levels, narcotics, poisons, or any other substance that might cause death. The fina would not have contributed to his death in any way.

If your friend were here he'd tell you to forget about it and live enough life for the both of you.

Glad you weren't in that car with them, bro.

 

[blaster220]

Bump for Drexx and Big Johnson... my thoughts exactly. I really hate to hear that, EmptyWallet, it's a tragedy. Nevertheless, do not feel guilty because any wreck that would cause someone to be DOA, was impact trauma, blunt-force, etc; not because of gear.

Again, I'm sorry

 

[G-Force]

E.W. Sorry for your loss but you shouldn't blame yourself Big Johnson and Blaster were spot on in their posts and you'll probably find that you're confusing your sense of emptiness and loss for feelings of guilt just because you and your friend shared a secret.If I could just say one more thing, think very carefully about your reasons for wanting to tell his parents as IMO there is no upside.Once again bro sorry for your loss but it sounds like he had a good friend!

Peace Bro

 

[emptywallet]

Thanx all of you. The funeral is next Wed. Its great to know that there are people in the world who care enough to support in your time of need without ever even directly meeting you face to face. Ive had problems and things come up before and always find comfort with the people here. In my friends case, caged birds are meant to fly, but when they are gone it makes the place where you are that much more desolent (sp) and drab. I really miss my friend.

 

[Bulldog_10]

No info about the fina causing his death, but I am very sorry to hear the news. Only time can heal your wounds!

Be Strong!
B-10

 

[win4life]

EmptyWallet--memories are important to help those grieving. Family and friends can find comfort in those pleasant memories.

I have helped people through the grieving process which can last years and have found again and agian that spending time remembering positive things about the deceast will help soothe the pain.

I would encourage you not to mention AS unless you really feel it is necessary. It won't help your friend or change anything and it could confuse those that would not undersand.

You can help the family most by just being their and listening.
The next year will be pretty tough especially times that remind them most of the one they loss like Birthday's, Holiday's, family vacations, events your friend participated in, etc....

A card from you letting them know that you are thinking about them can be very touching.

Sorry my friend.

The emotional pains often come in waves and odd times. They usually come less often with less intensity over time. Grief usually lasts a healthy person between 1 and 3 years. People will always feel the pain but the grieving process should subside.

If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me. I have more information.

Take Care

 

[Hill Billy]

From personal experience, I can assure you that gear did not have an effect on your friends survival. If he was so traumatically injured that he was DOA, then not even immediate surgery at the scene would have saved him. Gear or any other drugs wouldn't even have been a factor if his injuries were severe. I don't understand why an autopsy is being done, but nonetheless I am truely sorry for your loss. Both his family and you are in my prayers.

 

[J2COOL2000]

sprry to hear

hey, may you buddy rest in peace sorry about the accident, stay strong bro. i know how it feels my best friend died in a motorcycle accident and we were real close

 

[champion]

sorry to hear this bro