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the world’s second poorest country. The famine stricken south of the country has already claimed countless lives through malnutrition, and as the year draws to a close, official figures put some 30,000 children at risk of an unsavory demise unless food aid arrives very soon. For the aid-workers, journalists and casual travelers, the horrors of seeing starving children is just a fly-drive away, as the worst affected areas of Niger are easily accessible along the length of the country’s southern highway that runs between the capital, Niamey, and Lake Chad to the east.



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manny78 said:
Do they have oil ? Diamonds ? Poppy seeds ?
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Not a damn thing, famine and disease.

Just attended a lecture on it and it's quite disturbing.

Thinking about going over to volunteer some medical help...not yet sure though.
 
Here's an example of the malnutrition that the majority of the population is stricken with:


niger.jpg
 
pdaddy said:
the world’s second poorest country. The famine stricken south of the country has already claimed countless lives through malnutrition, and as the year draws to a close, official figures put some 30,000 children at risk of an unsavory demise unless food aid arrives very soon. For the aid-workers, journalists and casual travelers, the horrors of seeing starving children is just a fly-drive away, as the worst affected areas of Niger are easily accessible along the length of the country’s southern highway that runs between the capital, Niamey, and Lake Chad to the east.



discuss
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I have the cure for all there problems.. First of all they are having too much sex, spreading aids and having too many babies over there.. Second of all they do not have enough food to feed themselves or all the babies they are having.

The one cure for such a problem I present today. Edible Condems. Thats right folks your one stop shopping. Edible condems could fix all there problems in one shot....
 
pdaddy said:
the world’s second poorest country. The famine stricken south of the country has already claimed countless lives through malnutrition, and as the year draws to a close, official figures put some 30,000 children at risk of an unsavory demise unless food aid arrives very soon. For the aid-workers, journalists and casual travelers, the horrors of seeing starving children is just a fly-drive away, as the worst affected areas of Niger are easily accessible along the length of the country’s southern highway that runs between the capital, Niamey, and Lake Chad to the east.



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It's disturbingly similar to any ghetto you go to here in the US. Most living in shacks with 10 kids yet they all have cell phones and nice clothes. Their problem is that they expect the government to support them instead of taking the initiative to do something themselves. They are in a neverending destructive cycle and with the RAMPANT government corruption in most of the African countries, it won't get any better any time soon.

In Kenya for example, a new government just came into power a cople years ago after having the same party for 25 years. The corruption went all the way to the top and as someone on tv said, if they start firing all the corrupt politicians, there wouldn't be a government at all.

It's gonna be a LONG time until any of the countries even begin to improve
 
Let others starve.....Yet we support a terrorist shithead nation in the mid east with 15.5 million dollars a day to kill civilians and steal land.....Its a real nice world huh?

Kaz
 
mkazzbmf said:
Let others starve.....Yet we support a terrorist shithead nation in the mid east with 15.5 million dollars a day to kill civilians and steal land.....Its a real nice world huh?

Kaz
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i hope u die
 
no amount of aid will ever be able to help them. They have to learn how to help themselves. Or we will have to teach them. Aid and volunteers will do nothing.
 
pdaddy said:
Here's an example of the malnutrition that the majority of the population is stricken with:


niger.jpg
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if u don't have anything to provide to your children they should stop fucking....

seriously send them a crate of condoms.

i feel bad for the kids who are helpless in this situation.
 
Subzeero said:
no amount of aid will ever be able to help them. They have to learn how to help themselves. Or we will have to teach them. Aid and volunteers will do nothing.
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Not true. People in Niger probably work harder than you or I. What they need is the infrastructure to get their economy off the ground. Infrastructure consists of

Adequate nutrition
sanitation
clean water
roads
internet and phone networks
children in school
adult education classes
electricity
literacy and computer literacy
basic medical care
adequate environmental protections
The ability to speak or translate global or national languages

and probably a few other things I'm missing. W/o them it is hard to get and keep an economy going. That can be obtained either through aid or economic growth.
 
Lao Tzu said:
Not true. People in Niger probably work harder than you or I. What they need is the infrastructure to get their economy off the ground. Infrastructure consists of

Adequate nutrition
sanitation
clean water
roads
internet and phone networks
children in school
adult education classes
electricity
literacy and computer literacy
basic medical care
adequate environmental protections
The ability to speak or translate global or national languages

and probably a few other things I'm missing. W/o them it is hard to get and keep an economy going. That can be obtained either through aid or economic growth.
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I told you guys man... dont make it so complicated... to fix all the problems in N!@er (I cant say that word) all we have to do is send them over a big bunch of edible condems..

They can either use the edible condems during sex to stop having so many babies and spreading so much aids...
Or they can just eat the edible condems if they are starving.
And to get the most use out of the edible condems they can use them and then eat them (for extra proteinage)..
 
Dieselicious said:
I told you guys man... dont make it so complicated... to fix all the problems in N!@er (I cant say that word) all we have to do is send them over a big bunch of edible condems..

They can either use the edible condems during sex to stop having so many babies and spreading so much aids...
Or they can just eat the edible condems if they are starving.
And to get the most use out of the edible condems they can use them and then eat them (for extra proteinage)..
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Problem is that for many of those people they view having kids the same way we in the west did up until a hundred or so years ago, as a way to make money. More kids means more employees to go out and get money for the family. Plus when you are poor more kids means at least one may 'make it' and you can live off of him. Plus with no healthcare, chances are one or two kids will die so people overcompensate by having tons of kids. Improving the economy and the healthcare situation leads to less kids. In fact, if you look at total fertility rates Niger is the worst, 7.46 kids per woman.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

But every country with at least a moderately competent economy and basic healthcare has a TFR of less than 3. Only the shitty, messed up 3rd world countries have high TFRs like Sudan, Niger, Afghanistan, Chad, Congo, etc.

The best way to get people to stop procreating is to help them get a functioning economy and basic healthcare to cut childhood mortality down. Once you do that TFR drops to 3 or less.
 
So what was the solution to the current famine issue???


Dieselicious said:
I have the cure for all there problems.. First of all they are having too much sex, spreading aids and having too many babies over there.. Second of all they do not have enough food to feed themselves or all the babies they are having.

The one cure for such a problem I present today. Edible Condems. Thats right folks your one stop shopping. Edible condems could fix all there problems in one shot....
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We have an agreement despite the stupidity that I get accustomed to reading here.

Lao Tzu said:
Not true. People in Niger probably work harder than you or I. What they need is the infrastructure to get their economy off the ground. Infrastructure consists of

Adequate nutrition
sanitation
clean water
roads
internet and phone networks
children in school
adult education classes
electricity
literacy and computer literacy
basic medical care
adequate environmental protections
The ability to speak or translate global or national languages

and probably a few other things I'm missing. W/o them it is hard to get and keep an economy going. That can be obtained either through aid or economic growth.
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I thought that was a reference to me. Nevermind.

The sad part about famine is that poor people start having more kids just in the hopes that they will earn more money to buy food, so it can be a perpetual problem. More kids means more famine, more famine means more kids.
 
Lao Tzu said:
Not true. People in Niger probably work harder than you or I. What they need is the infrastructure to get their economy off the ground. Infrastructure consists of

Adequate nutrition
sanitation
clean water
roads
internet and phone networks
children in school
adult education classes
electricity
literacy and computer literacy
basic medical care
adequate environmental protections
The ability to speak or translate global or national languages

and probably a few other things I'm missing. W/o them it is hard to get and keep an economy going. That can be obtained either through aid or economic growth.
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Been there, done that.

i'm 45 and clearly remember the same plaintive pleas for help 35 years ago. We (the west) have already built the Africans roads, wells, schools, hospitals, power plants and grids, etc many times over.

You guys are younger and hearing this for the first time. Trust me, as you get older your whole perception of the issue will change.

This reminds me of a rather non-PC saying:

Give an African a fish and he eats today.
Teach an African to fish and he eats the bait.
 
Hengst said:
Been there, done that.

i'm 45 and clearly remember the same plaintive pleas for help 35 years ago. We (the west) have already built the Africans roads, wells, schools, hospitals, power plants and grids, etc many times over.

You guys are younger and hearing this for the first time. Trust me, as you get older your whole perception of the issue will change.

This reminds me of a rather non-PC saying:

Give an African a fish and he eats today.
Teach an African to fish and he eats the bait.
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the percentage of people living on less than $1/day PPP in the last 35 years has dropped from about 45% of humanity down to about 18% of humanity. The percentage with clean water, primary education, sanitation, vaccinations, etc. have all gone up dramatically in the last 35 years. I think with water for example it has gone from something like 50% up to about 85-90%. The percentage of kids in school has gone up dramatically in the last 35 years too. Have you heard of the international decade for clean drinking water, ie 1980-1990 where 1.2 billion people obtained clean water supplies and 800 million obtained sanitation? Major improvements have been made since 1970, I'm not sure what you're getting at because the world is improving, it just hasn't improved enough.

where is your evidence that we in the west have dumped endless billions into African infrastructure? When you subtract the amount of money we spend in foreign aid that is military aid or wasted on consultants the west barely spends a few billion a year, and that is in today's money. We have barely done anything.

And one of the major hurdles in developmental aid is education, you are right. They ran into the same problem with oral rehydration therapy education. People kept fucking it up. But I have not heard of anyone say it is impossible, just hard to educate people w/o a background in science.

According to Jeffrey Sachs with 0.7% of GDP devoted to developmental aid we can cut by 50% all problems in the developing world by 2015.
 
But why should the west help at all?

China managed to pull hundreds of millions of their own citizens out of poverty in the last 2 decades. All accomplished WITH OUT any aid from the west. No 'make poverty history' crap, no UN feeding programs, no world bank loans, no charitable organizations digging wells, building schools, etc.

So the question is.... How were the Chinese able to do it and why can't the Africans? I fear the Africans are their own worst enemy.
 
gjohnson5 said:
the "stupidity" I was referring to was the posts that condoms would somehow put food in already startving childrens mouths...

Since you didn't make such a post , then how would I be referring to you?
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u know how many starving children u could have helped with the money u spent on purchasing COTB?
 
I will repeat it. No amount of aid will help Africa

Something like 10 trillion dollars has been poured into Africa over the past 20 or so years. They are worse off now than ever.

You need to find someway to envoke lifestyle changes - which are the hardest to do.
 
Lao Tzu said:
Not true. People in Niger probably work harder than you or I. What they need is the infrastructure to get their economy off the ground. Infrastructure consists of
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You are thinking straight out of your ass. Initially i was thinking that you were an idealist, but even that is not the case.

I don't know about you in particular, but I work very hard to achieve my goals. Similarily, the western hemisphere is not well developed because someone aided us with our infrastructure. Everyone works their asses off here. Everytime you see nigerians on TV, they would be lying on their beds starving, waiting for someone to put food in their mouth and dollars in their pocket.

Besides what possible reason must condone us with the responsibility of aiding them?

I know what infrastructure is smart-ass. No need to list it. You cannot help people who do not want to help themselves. If they die of starvation and malnutrition, so be it. They have failed to survive.

For whatever divine bullshit you come up with, Nigerians starving and dieing should not make anyone feel guilty for reaping benifits of their own hard work.

And be careful, you just might be one of those people who wish to look good by proposing aid and money to help "starving children", but never in their lives donated a single penny to back their opinion. Truely hypocrite.
 
pdaddy said:
Not a damn thing, famine and disease.

Just attended a lecture on it and it's quite disturbing.

Thinking about going over to volunteer some medical help...not yet sure though.
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I heard of a case of a young girl going over there to give aid to the people, and they tortured and murdered her because she was white. They had been oppressed by white people for so long that they immediately considered her the enemy.

Don't go over before you know for sure that it is safe.
 
I agree that money will help the immediate needs of kids. The problem is that money won't fix the infrastructure. You need people to care for the kids , medicines, but also they need irrigation and what not for farming. Then need infrastructure like lao said and I don't think a blank check will correct that.


mrdeeznuts said:
u know how many starving children u could have helped with the money u spent on purchasing COTB?
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heatherrae said:
I heard of a case of a young girl going over there to give aid to the people, and they tortured and murdered her because she was white. They had been oppressed by white people for so long that they immediately considered her the enemy.

Don't go over before you know for sure that it is safe.
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It's hard to tell, but Pdaddy is NOT a white girl.

Understandably I don't blame you for mixing this up.
 
Unfortunately the white supremacist's comments are not 100% unfounded.

civil wars and age old tribal fighting do make it hard to build an infrastructure

But he still lumps "Africans" into one pot as I would suspect a white supremacist would...

Hengst said:
But why should the west help at all?

China managed to pull hundreds of millions of their own citizens out of poverty in the last 2 decades. All accomplished WITH OUT any aid from the west. No 'make poverty history' crap, no UN feeding programs, no world bank loans, no charitable organizations digging wells, building schools, etc.

So the question is.... How were the Chinese able to do it and why can't the Africans? I fear the Africans are their own worst enemy.
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gjohnson5 said:
Unfortunately the white supremacist's comments are not 100% unfounded.

civil wars and age old tribal fighting do make it hard to build an infrastructure

But he still lumps "Africans" into one pot as I would suspect a white supremacist would...
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Unfortunately you lack the debate skills necessary to rebut a valid statement and have to resort to unfounded name calling.

Show us a first world African country so we can be more specific. Maybe you should just start jumping on everyone that referrs to developed, working countries as "The West".

But no. Civil wars and age old tribal fighting are because of white folks. Right?
 
jnevin said:
Unfortunately you lack the debate skills necessary to rebut a valid statement and have to resort to unfounded name calling.

Show us a first world African country so we can be more specific. Maybe you should just start jumping on everyone that referrs to developed, working countries as "The West".

But no. Civil wars and age old tribal fighting are because of white folks. Right?
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LOLOL!!!
The truth hurts...

This disussion is about Niger and I will keep it on focus instead of your attempt attack a whole continent where you are not sure of the economic status of most any of the countries... Just more stereotypes as far as I can see

Reread my posts and comment anywhere where I mentioned black or white people. The only people I mentioned were kids because that is the focus of this thread.

Now if we can get back to the discussions of Niger and not on attacking people for being impoverished or African in you and Hengst's case
 
Subzeero said:
You are thinking straight out of your ass. Initially i was thinking that you were an idealist, but even that is not the case.

I don't know about you in particular, but I work very hard to achieve my goals. Similarily, the western hemisphere is not well developed because someone aided us with our infrastructure. Everyone works their asses off here. Everytime you see nigerians on TV, they would be lying on their beds starving, waiting for someone to put food in their mouth and dollars in their pocket.

Besides what possible reason must condone us with the responsibility of aiding them?

I know what infrastructure is smart-ass. No need to list it. You cannot help people who do not want to help themselves. If they die of starvation and malnutrition, so be it. They have failed to survive.

For whatever divine bullshit you come up with, Nigerians starving and dieing should not make anyone feel guilty for reaping benifits of their own hard work.

And be careful, you just might be one of those people who wish to look good by proposing aid and money to help "starving children", but never in their lives donated a single penny to back their opinion. Truely hypocrite.
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I've heard alot of stupid, baseless shit from the neocons here who generally can't point out Africa on a map but this is going into my top 5 folder.

Where did I say we shouldn't work hard? My point is that the argument that 'if they weren't lazy they wouldn't be poor' is bullshit. Slaves are harder workers than you will ever be. What matters is if you have the environment that is conductive to making hard work productive.

Again, build infrastructure and hard work starts to become more productive. People who are ignorant, can't read, no roads, no internet can work as hard as they want, but their work won't be nearly as productive as it would be with these things. That is how you escape poverty, by making hard work pay off in dividends.
 
Hengst said:
But why should the west help at all?

China managed to pull hundreds of millions of their own citizens out of poverty in the last 2 decades. All accomplished WITH OUT any aid from the west. No 'make poverty history' crap, no UN feeding programs, no world bank loans, no charitable organizations digging wells, building schools, etc.

So the question is.... How were the Chinese able to do it and why can't the Africans? I fear the Africans are their own worst enemy.
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And that is great. I can't remember why people like Jeffrey Sachs say that this isn't happening in Africa. I think a mixture of ethnic & racial infighting, a lack of urban infrastructure, a temperate environment that is conductive to disease, a lack of a massive population which can distribute resources well and a few other things.

Good for China, but not every country is doing as well. Investment aid can greatly increase GDP in foreign countries, some estimates are as high as $1 in aid gives $7 in growth.

And many Africans do prefer that we just establish free trade instead of aid. 'trade not aid' they call it. Right now the west subsidized agricultural goods so heavily that Africa cannot compete. To goal is just to get infrastructure to a point that these countries are competent to start growing economically.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/africa-wants-trade-not-aid/2005/07/03/1120329326420.html

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article484980.ece

For example, cell phones in Africa are drastically changing the economy. With good communication infrastructure via cell phones people are able to communicate prices better, find better info, etc. and as a result economic growth goes up. With more aid to combat HIV or malaria there are more productive members of the workforce.


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/gear/2005-10-16-africa-cellular_x.htm

Help these people obtain healthcare, communications, roads, etc. and their economies will take off much faster.

China also accomplished what it did with a communist central committee.
 
gjohnson5 said:
LOLOL!!!
The truth hurts...

This disussion is about Niger and I will keep it on focus instead of your attempt attack a whole continent where you are not sure of the economic status of most any of the countries... Just more stereotypes as far as I can see

Reread my posts and comment anywhere where I mentioned black or white people. The only people I mentioned were kids because that is the focus of this thread.

Now if we can get back to the discussions of Niger and not on attacking people for being impoverished or African in you and Hengst's case
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You're the one that brought race up by calling someone a white supremacist.

They are attacking each other per you comment on the wars and tribal feuds. You show me a country on that continent that has a stable government and enonomy. It is a third world continent. Niger is a result of this.

You're just an unhappy bigot that loves to blame the world's problems on anyone that doesn't share your views. It must suck to go through life that way.
 
When you have been caught red handed passing out literature that comes from white supremacists , what do you call it?

jnevin said:
You're the one that brought race up by calling someone a white supremacist.

They are attacking each other per you comment on the wars and tribal feuds. You show me a country on that continent that has a stable government and enonomy. It is a third world continent. Niger is a result of this.

You're just an unhappy bigot that loves to blame the world's problems on anyone that doesn't share your views. It must suck to go through life that way.
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gjohnson5 said:
When you have been caught red handed passing out literature that comes from white supremacists , what do you call it?
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I've never seen that. Where was it? Did he post a link to a white power site?
 
I wish. I'm a pissy goth, I am not good enough to upgrade to emo status yet. Do you want to read some of my poetry?

"Why does life hate me?
I am a good boy.
I work hard at building myself
and I am not a toy.
The game of life has a new master
Shadow of puppets I desire
Until the end and darkness reigns
I shall sit here and build my empire
Of hate"
 
Lao Tzu said:
I wish. I'm a pissy goth, I am not good enough to upgrade to emo status yet. Do you want to read some of my poetry?

"Why does life hate me?
I am a good boy.
I work hard at building myself
and I am not a toy.
The game of life has a new master
Shadow of puppets I desire
Until the end and darkness reigns
I shall sit here and build my empire
Of hate"
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don't tell me i didn't warn you people.
 
Yup. I never said I wasn't a pissy goth.

Me and my one friend are going to go out on the street corner, paint ourselves up as demons and make fun of everyone who is even moderately different.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I caught him red handed passing out "statistics" from this man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor

Who is the founder of this group called the "New Century Foundation"
http://www.nc-f.org/

This is infact a white supremacist group
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Funny that a guy born in a different country is preaching nationalism, but whatever. After reading this guy's bio, he sounds like the white equivalent of Malcom X. He did say that he'd accept help from whites, but didn't want them to join him. Two seperatists on different sides of the spectrum.
 
jnevin said:
Funny that a guy born in a different country is preaching nationalism, but whatever. After reading this guy's bio, he sounds like the white equivalent of Malcom X. He did say that he'd accept help from whites, but didn't want them to join him. Two seperatists on different sides of the spectrum.
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LOL, some of you will never learn
Malcolm X is not a seperatist... The Nation of Islam may very well be seperatists.

It's funny how you associate Malcolm X with seperatism but yet he was preaching the teachings of another man...
 
gjohnson5 said:
LOL, some of you will never learn
Malcolm X is not a seperatist... The Nation of Islam may very well be seperatists.

It's funny how you associate Malcolm X with seperatism but yet he was preaching the teachings of another man...
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I doubt the white separitist has come up with all of his own ideas either.

And Malcom said he'd accept help but didn't want whites to join him after he parted with the nation.

I bet if this other guy changed his tune, the black community would welcome him with open arms. :rolleyes:
 
gjohnson5 said:
Unfortunately the white supremacist's comments are not 100% unfounded.

civil wars and age old tribal fighting do make it hard to build an infrastructure

But he still lumps "Africans" into one pot as I would suspect a white supremacist would...
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Do you really need to resort to tired, thread bare tactics of name calling in an attempt to intimidate the speaker into submission. Folks are getting real tired of being called racist whenever a non-politically correct point of view is expressed.

I post the things that I do to (hopefully) get people to begin to think independantly. Maybe make some one sit up and say..... "Hey, I never thought that before!" and perhaps begin a search for truth on their own.

You and I may actually get along and be friends in person. I tend to judge people on their character and the color of a person's skin is not a good indication of character.
 
UA_Iron said:
I will repeat it. No amount of aid will help Africa

Something like 10 trillion dollars has been poured into Africa over the past 20 or so years. They are worse off now than ever.

You need to find someway to envoke lifestyle changes - which are the hardest to do.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/international/jan-june05/poverty_1-17.html

JEFFREY SACHS: Well, or course, no doubt almost any money flow could be used more wisely, but the amount of money actually reaching Africa from U.S. assistance has been on the order of about $2 to $3 per African per year

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/if/4105140.stm

Despite nearly a trillion dollars of aid since independence in the 1960s, much of Africa is worse off now than it was then.

Much of that aid was spent by outsiders without consultation with Africans and with little understanding of Africa's ways or needs.

Today the continent is full of abandoned projects: wells in the wrong place, factories without a fuel supply, roads that were not maintained.

What is needed is reform, infrastructure, trade and aid. Reform alone won't work, look at Kenya.
 
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