I don't understand?

[New Jack]

Everyone on here says "you can't do a dbol only cycle without Clomid cause it'll shut down your testes and you'll lose your gains", well I'm not arguing with you guys cause you guys know 10x more than me but, what about in the 80's when EVERYONE did dbol. They didn't even know what Clomid was. There's a bunch of old timers at my gym who are some big dudes who used up to 60 mg ed for 4 week cycles (or so they say!) and they said Clomid wasn't available back then and they say their testes are just fine now and they went back to producing normal natural testosterone in no time. Also didn't Arnold use to pig out on dbols?

I have also talked to other lifters who said that they did dbol only cycles but had no Clomid available so they used Tribestan and they said it worked out just fine and their balls went to normal in 3-5 weeks. I don't know if I could beleive that. I heard that Tribestan is a decent substitue but is in no way shape or form comparable to Clomid.

Has there ever been a case of someone using a dbol only cycle with no Clomid or a weak substitute (Tribestan) that has had his natural testosterone production shut down permanantly?

I'm still gonna wait till I get my Clomid, I just had a hard time understanding that. I might have to wait a couple months to get it, but in the mean time I'm getting my 'all natur-el' on. (Well...supplements too)

 

[macDbol]

boy george occupied their estrogen receptors

 

[solidspine]

I just finished 4 weeks of d-bol, now just doing test and primo, haven't had any problems and my nuts are only slightly raised,

Increased my test this week from 200mg to 800mg and suspect they will shrink,

My plan is to use 2500iu hgc 2 weeks in a row and then bridge with primo.


Something about this cycle, maybe because I upped the test or it might be the primo, but have not lost any of the gains, and even have a great pump. Been of the d-bol for two weeks, I was getting too bloated.

 

[New Jack]

Hey solid, how much dbol were you using and how come you didn't use any Clomid?

 

[New Jack]

bump

 

[thefantom1]

Is there medical proof that exogenous testosterone supplementation will shut down test porduction forever?? Kind of like the T-3 arguement...

 

[dirty]

lmfao @ macDbol

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

nobody is saying it will shut you down permanently but it will shut you down temporarily- enough to hinder you keeping gains after your cycle. If your body goes from test. levels in the 1000's to test levels anywhere from 40's to very low hundreds, you are going to lose some gains because of that severe drop. Clomid will allow you to more quickly re-establish natural test. levels- AD

 

[New Jack]

What's the deal with this Tribestan product. Some weight lifters I know swear by this stuff. One even said "it's more than adequate substitute for Clomid. Gives a jump start to your natural test."

 

[wesdog]

well new jack, tell those lifters that wesdog said that they are full of shit. and those things that come out of their mouthes that they call words, well, thats a bunch of shit too cause they have no idea what the hell they're talking out. to tell you the truth, they're talking out of their ass, and guess what, that's where shit comes from. tribestan IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM a substitute for clomid. clomid is a necessity.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Look, firstly doing a dbol only cycle is more than likely wasteful. I say more than likely because there will always be somebody who would respond well to a dbol only cycle. However, you say Arnold did dbol, and you extrapolate from that the belief that dbol only is the way to go?

Arnold also liked primo and more than likely didn't do too much test. Does that mean we should all do primo and forget test? No.

Look, here's the deal. It's obvious you don't believe that most of these people are trying to help you. Don't you think we might have learned a LITTLE about gear usage since 1975? Geez, so what if they didn't have clomid back then. They also didn't have arimidex, does that mean you shouldn't do arimidex?

I really don't know what else to say to you without becoming abusive. Why would I become abusive? Our biggest enemy is time, and you sit here and try to waste mine.

Do the fucking dbol, forget the clomid and stop wasting my time!

 

[New Jack]

Are you nuts!?

Listen I know. Trust me. I'm saving my pink little friends for atleast a year. Probably longer. I'm 21 and have yet to hit my natural plateau. Also I don't want my natural test to shut down so I WILL get Clomid.