I came here for the best advice...

[youngcat]

Hey everyone,

First thread on this site,

Im a 23 year old male, 5'8'' lean 160. I have been in the fitness and health field for over five years and have a good understanding of diet and strength training. I have been looking at this site for a while, researching information myself, and talking to friends in the bodybuilding field in my city. It seems like there is no "right way" of going about your first cycle, I have heard so many opinions. Of course I am hesitant about side effects, but I feel I have a good base of practiced knowledge with strength training, nutrition and supplements to go into my first cycle as positive as possible. I hope this question is not too general, but for my size and starting point what would be a good first cycle. I would appreciate any information I may need pre, during, and post cylce.

Thank you very much.

 

[CO B-man]

Do more research!

 

[Bruce]

ok i need more info. what are your stats. best would be to know your measurements. how big are your arms, your waist, what is your bf. can you see abs? how long have you been lifting weights for not just learning. also what are your goals. its real hard to pick a first cycle because everyone is different. i am not a fan of the test only first cycle, it is not universal, many cannot use test like myself. it is a great first i'm just saying its not a must that it be your first cycle. imo the best thing for a first cycle is
a. test only at 300-400mg ew, no more, if you know carth you know that he only has ever taken 400mg and he is built fantastic(though not my first choice or do i think it is the best bet, but you can do just test because you can control estro sides if they occur, and ,that is usually the only trouble you'll have. this makes it safe)
b. 125-250mg of test per week as a maintenence dose with a good lean gainer like equipoise at 400mg ew or primobolan at 600mg ew. (the test is enough to keep libido up, the gains will come mostly from primo or eq that you are using on top of the test. these steroids are very easy to manage as far as sides. you will most likely not experience any bad sides from either especially at those doses. the gains would be lean and shredded mass if you are like most people. furthermore imo the gains are much easier to keep and pct is much easier.
c. eq 600mg ew or primo 600-800mg ew with proviron 50mg ew(the gains are all nasty shredded mass, no sides and no bloat. pumps are insane for me. the proviron keeps test levels high and free test up to 60% higher giving you energy and not needing any test in the cycle. this is the only way i fly. i rock out with 800mg of eq at this point or a gram of primo but man i love this way. proviron also makes you shredded like a statue and hard as a rock muscle and dick wise. i love the stuff. just know that it is horrible on the hairline though.

now you can throw an oral on top of these. if you go with option b. i highly reccomend no oral, cause your already stacking. but b or c shit throw in 25mg of dbols ew for weeks 1-4.

let me know what you think. we can certainly tailor whatever you like to your needs. please post more stat info though. peace
BRUCE

 

[average_ash]

Ace post BRUCE would give karma, but gave needto all mine for hooking me up with a free plat, good info

 

[snower6]

The post above is sufficient. But I'll add my 2 cents.
First cycle, I'd personally either go with straight up test C or test E. Some first timers add in Deca but 12-15 weeks of 400-500mg of Test is going to give you 15-25 pounds to work with that you never had before.

I think the essential for first timers is to adjust to the proper eating while on a cycle. For instance, a lot of people eat clean off cycle. But things like protein loading that isn't natural is tough to adjust to sometimes without going overboard on your calories.

The only advice I'll give that I wish I had done mroe research about my first time around is your post cycle therapy (pct). I lost all of my gains from my first cycle (which was Sustanon) because I was to ignorant to buy clomid and hcg. Also runied my sex life for a year til I figured out the problem through this board.

Research is key, but if I could do it all over again, I'd do a basic Test, and have Clmoid and hcg for afterwards. Also some anti-E like nolvadex will help your body adjust to the elevated levels of Test.

A lot of people get into this thinking, "One cycle to get in shape and I'm done," And they overload by taking 4 or 5 different drugs. Just come to the realization that your going to do it more than once, and start off simple.

 

[nydj66]

ok i need more info. what are your stats. best would be to know your measurements. how big are your arms, your waist, what is your bf. can you see abs? how long have you been lifting weights for not just learning. also what are your goals. its real hard to pick a first cycle because everyone is different. i am not a fan of the test only first cycle, it is not universal, many cannot use test like myself. it is a great first i'm just saying its not a must that it be your first cycle. imo the best thing for a first cycle is
a. test only at 300-400mg ew, no more, if you know carth you know that he only has ever taken 400mg and he is built fantastic(though not my first choice or do i think it is the best bet, but you can do just test because you can control estro sides if they occur, and ,that is usually the only trouble you'll have. this makes it safe)
b. 125-250mg of test per week as a maintenence dose with a good lean gainer like equipoise at 400mg ew or primobolan at 600mg ew. (the test is enough to keep libido up, the gains will come mostly from primo or eq that you are using on top of the test. these steroids are very easy to manage as far as sides. you will most likely not experience any bad sides from either especially at those doses. the gains would be lean and shredded mass if you are like most people. furthermore imo the gains are much easier to keep and pct is much easier.
c. eq 600mg ew or primo 600-800mg ew with proviron 50mg ew(the gains are all nasty shredded mass, no sides and no bloat. pumps are insane for me. the proviron keeps test levels high and free test up to 60% higher giving you energy and not needing any test in the cycle. this is the only way i fly. i rock out with 800mg of eq at this point or a gram of primo but man i love this way. proviron also makes you shredded like a statue and hard as a rock muscle and dick wise. i love the stuff. just know that it is horrible on the hairline though.

now you can throw an oral on top of these. if you go with option b. i highly reccomend no oral, cause your already stacking. but b or c shit throw in 25mg of dbols ew for weeks 1-4.

let me know what you think. we can certainly tailor whatever you like to your needs. please post more stat info though. peace
BRUCE

I'd happily give you karma on this post but I do have one correction:

If you're taking 600mg/week of any androgen (even primo, EQ, or anavar) your endogenous testosterone production will be zero. Therefore proviron cannot keep your test (and free test) levels high in scenario C. In that case the proviron is maintaining libido and keeping free "androgen" levels high by preferentially binding to SHBG.

 

[Stallbro]

ok i need more info. what are your stats. best would be to know your measurements. how big are your arms, your waist, what is your bf. can you see abs? how long have you been lifting weights for not just learning. also what are your goals. its real hard to pick a first cycle because everyone is different. i am not a fan of the test only first cycle, it is not universal, many cannot use test like myself. it is a great first i'm just saying its not a must that it be your first cycle. imo the best thing for a first cycle is
a. test only at 300-400mg ew, no more, if you know carth you know that he only has ever taken 400mg and he is built fantastic(though not my first choice or do i think it is the best bet, but you can do just test because you can control estro sides if they occur, and ,that is usually the only trouble you'll have. this makes it safe)
b. 125-250mg of test per week as a maintenence dose with a good lean gainer like equipoise at 400mg ew or primobolan at 600mg ew. (the test is enough to keep libido up, the gains will come mostly from primo or eq that you are using on top of the test. these steroids are very easy to manage as far as sides. you will most likely not experience any bad sides from either especially at those doses. the gains would be lean and shredded mass if you are like most people. furthermore imo the gains are much easier to keep and pct is much easier.
c. eq 600mg ew or primo 600-800mg ew with proviron 50mg ew(the gains are all nasty shredded mass, no sides and no bloat. pumps are insane for me. the proviron keeps test levels high and free test up to 60% higher giving you energy and not needing any test in the cycle. this is the only way i fly. i rock out with 800mg of eq at this point or a gram of primo but man i love this way. proviron also makes you shredded like a statue and hard as a rock muscle and dick wise. i love the stuff. just know that it is horrible on the hairline though.

now you can throw an oral on top of these. if you go with option b. i highly reccomend no oral, cause your already stacking. but b or c shit throw in 25mg of dbols ew for weeks 1-4.

let me know what you think. we can certainly tailor whatever you like to your needs. please post more stat info though. peace
BRUCE

This is making me rethink my cycle plan. Thanks! Emailing you.

 

[Bruce]

I'd happily give you karma on this post but I do have one correction:

If you're taking 600mg/week of any androgen (even primo, EQ, or anavar) your endogenous testosterone production will be zero. Therefore proviron cannot keep your test (and free test) levels high in scenario C. In that case the proviron is maintaining libido and keeping free "androgen" levels high by preferentially binding to SHBG.

i do understand this, and in theory proviron wouldn't cut it you'd think. but it does. it works much better for me. however, if i could tolerate test i would tell you i would use a 125mg ew maintenence dose for this reason with the proviron but it makes me sick and weak like i have the chills. but i make sick gains off of just primo and eq with the pro-v so why fix what isn't broke. many bros do the same krishna being one of them. we will run tren even with just proviron.

 

[airsmith2k]

lol its not that hard to answer him.....take deca and test cant go wrong with that...he says hes lean so hes not goin to get fat anytime soon