I am officially racist now

[Lao Tzu]

Talked to a guy (on the internet, if you consider that talking) who lives in egypt and he filled me in on why the Arab community can be so filled with hate for the US, especially now that we are at war with Iraq.

Basically, they are humiliated at being so backwards, and the feeling of impotence they have in standing up to the US and, to a lesser extent, Israel. The US overthrows & establishes governments at will, none of them can overthrow or beat Israel at anything, and the invasion of Iraq is seen as a sign of utter helplessness on the part of the Iraqi people, an inability to govern or assist themselves without someone else helping them. Beggars recieving money from a pompous donor who only gives out of his luxury fund.

Buuuuuuuuut, since when did it become the US's job to cater to the inane double standards of a group of failed whiners? A bunch of illiterate, backwards people can't lead a society properly now we have to walk on tip toes to avoid pissing them off by angering their double standards? Sure the US can be an asshole in the middle east, but they treat themselves just as bad, if not worse than we or Israel do. Apparently they can't handle that the US & Israel are accomplished nations while they are stuck in the 14th century with nothing to be proud of.

I realize that pissing off angry, humiliated, people who are filled with rage becuase they feel defenseless is a bad idea, but why is this our fault? We didn't make their cultures backwards or illiterate.

The guy told me 'if americans are willing to die to protect Iraqi civilians then that will lessen the resentment felt towards them'. Well shit. All we have to do is sent people out to die unnecessarily so angry violent people can not make up conspiracy theories or hold us to double standards (not as much at least) for a few months or so? sign me up.

Then he started bitching about the US's attempts to freeze iraqi assets and put them in a UN account. Well dumbass, maybe you'd prefer Saddam keep them.

I don't get the mentality of the middle east. Or, more aptly, i think i do get the mentality and i am revolted by their attitudes. Cultural clash i guess. Pride means nothing here in the US, unless you get it by $$.

Someone want to prove me wrong?

 

[Lao Tzu]

Keep in mind i didn't expect the US to be seen as liberators, but i didn't think the double standards held among many Arabs ran this deep, or that their cause was so pathetic & unfair. The mentality strikes me as being the same mentality that causes hatred for the cops. Outsiders forcing themselves and their 'lifestyle' on you, and being impotent to stop or resist them. Now, i admit that is a valid hatred and can explain alot of the double standards, lack of trust & hate the Arab nations have but its fucking petty.

 

[ajtomasi]

They're trapped by their religion. Too bad.

 

[Hangfire]

Presently, the Arabs and other Muslims find themselves standing atop a sea of oil. This is why the world pays any attention to them. Without it, they would be a bunch of 12th century nomads with zero significance to the rest of the world.

From their oil, they get money, power, and the industrialized nations kowtowing to them in hopes they won't raise the price or turn off the spigot. This gives them plenty of idle time to whip up hatred of whomever strikes their fancy, and enough money to crash the occasional airliner or maybe bomb a nightclub or a military barracks.

The good news is that someday the oil will run out, and they will return to the caveman status they deserve. It will take generations, of course, since we are always discovering new sources of oil and new techniques for recovering it. But the supply must necessarily be finite, even if we can't presently say exactly how much there is or how long it will last. But you can be confident that, two hundred years from now, people will be as unconcerned for the Middle East as they currently are of Iceland and Greenland. And the people of the Middle East will barely have the wherewithal to run across a few hundred yards of hot sand dunes to scream curses at a rival caravan, much less travel halfway around the world to blow up whatever Great Satan their leaders have picked this week.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Fuck that shit. Thermal depolymerization lets people make oil out of any carbon based matter. Tires, chicken parts, manure, bottles, etc. There is already a plant in Carthage Missouri. It only produces about 500,000 barrels a year (5% of our daily imports) but its a start. in 50 years the Arab countries will run out of oil. Fine by me, as long as the Israelis keeps churning out the science. Maybe there is hope for Iran or Qatar though, they are becoming more secular & educated.

 

[musclebrains]

Congratulations on officially becoming a racist on the informed basis of an internet conversation with an Egyptian.

 

[granby140]

i was and always will be

 

[T2O]

I say Killm all

 

[Norman Bates]

Buuuuuuuuut, since when did it become the US's job to cater to the inane double standards of a group of failed whiners? A bunch of illiterate, backwards people can't lead a society properly now we have to walk on tip toes to avoid pissing them off by angering their double standards? Sure the US can be an asshole in the middle east, but they treat themselves just as bad, if not worse than we or Israel do.

Actually, invading them is not what i would call to walk on tip toes.

Sure the US can be an asshole in the middle east, but they treat themselves just as bad, if not worse than we or Israel do.

And the way they run their countries gives you the right to do what?

Apparently they can't handle that the US & Israel are accomplished nations while they are stuck in the 14th century with nothing to be proud of.

Apparently they can´t handle that they are being regularly invaded since the time of imperialism. You really think they are jealous of the living standard of the western world?
They are mad at being pushed around ,as would anyone else be.

I realize that pissing off angry, humiliated, people who are filled with rage becuase they feel defenseless is a bad idea, but why is this our fault? We didn't make their cultures backwards or illiterate.

If you invade their country it´s your fault that they are pissed off.
Would you be upset when someone dropped a bomb on your house? According to your logic it would be your fault if you are.

The guy told me 'if americans are willing to die to protect Iraqi civilians then that will lessen the resentment felt towards them'. Well shit. All we have to do is sent people out to die unnecessarily so angry violent people can not make up conspiracy theories or hold us to double standards (not as much at least) for a few months or so? sign me up.

All you have to do is stay out of their country.
And i wonder if your quote is taken out of context. Had it by coincidence something to do with him not believing that the US forces are fighting for humanitarian reasons?

 

[T2O]

Actually, invading them is not what i would call to walk on tip toes.



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Sure the US can be an asshole in the middle east, but they treat themselves just as bad, if not worse than we or Israel do.
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And the way they run their countries gives you the right to do what?


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Apparently they can't handle that the US & Israel are accomplished nations while they are stuck in the 14th century with nothing to be proud of.
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Apparently they can´t handle that they are being regularly invaded since the time of imperialism. You really think they are jealous of the living standard of the western world?
They are mad at being pushed around ,as would anyone else be.


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I realize that pissing off angry, humiliated, people who are filled with rage becuase they feel defenseless is a bad idea, but why is this our fault? We didn't make their cultures backwards or illiterate.
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If you invade their country it´s your fault that they are pissed off.
Would you be upset when someone dropped a bomb on your house? According to your logic it would be your fault if you are.


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The guy told me 'if americans are willing to die to protect Iraqi civilians then that will lessen the resentment felt towards them'. Well shit. All we have to do is sent people out to die unnecessarily so angry violent people can not make up conspiracy theories or hold us to double standards (not as much at least) for a few months or so? sign me up.
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All you have to do is stay out of their country.
And i wonder if your quote is taken out of context. Had it by coincidence something to do with him not believing that the US forces are fighting for humanitarian reasons?

Please

 

[Lao Tzu]

Re: Re: I am officially racist now

Actually, invading them is not what i would call to walk on tip toes.

What do you call being held to a double standard? As far as invading, we aren't invading w/o cause, they invaded their neighbors, wrote a cease fire, then repeadly broke it. Thats not invading, thats restarting hostilities.

And the way they run their countries gives you the right to do what?

Its not that that justifies it, it just doesn't show balance in their opinions.

Apparently they can´t handle that they are being regularly invaded since the time of imperialism. You really think they are jealous of the living standard of the western world?
They are mad at being pushed around ,as would anyone else be.

I didn't say they were jealous, just bothered by the turn of events.

Then why is the middle east the only 3rd world arena like this? what about central & south america, are they as angry at the US? what about south east asia or africa?

If you invade their country it´s your fault that they are pissed off.
Would you be upset when someone dropped a bomb on your house? According to your logic it would be your fault if you are.

Thats not my logic thats you redrawing my logic. How do you explain the double standards addressed towards Israel or the US in the arab world? We kill 14 civilians, there is an uproar but 14 civilians being killed is normal in the Arab world. The US is held to a double standard.

All you have to do is stay out of their country.
And i wonder if your quote is taken out of context. Had it by coincidence something to do with him not believing that the US forces are fighting for humanitarian reasons?

Well, if after the war is totally over and the Iraqi people, en masse, didn't want to be free of Saddam i will recant.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Uh....No sympathy here....

....Basically, they are humiliated at being so backwards, and the feeling of impotence they have in standing up to the US and, to a lesser extent, Israel. The US overthrows & establishes governments at will, none of them can overthrow or beat Israel at anything, and the invasion of Iraq is seen as a sign of utter helplessness on the part of the Iraqi people, an inability to govern or assist themselves without someone else helping them....

What morons.

Have such morons look at global history. Examine things like the French Revolution. The American Revolution. The Bolshivec (sp?) Revolution....etc.

Their problem is themselves, not the USA. Granted, times have changed, but around the world to this very day, there are coups and revolutions on a regular basis. If the angry who are determined to bring change for their country will organize, plan, and equip, they could overthrow a dictator and find freedom....if they are willing to fight and die for it.

The problem in most of these nations is that they are even more the Sheeple than Americans are. They live in a welfare mentality and aren't willing to fight the real danger (their own leaders) to be free. Rather, they buy into them being the "oppresed" who need to strike against the "enemy" who often is the USA. A socialist mentality that hates the USA because we have prosperity while they have misery. Don't like it? Fight for change. Don't harm those who've achieved a better life.

I don't loose a wink of sleep over these people. They have some power to effect change. Instead, they'd rather hate those who have the cutspah (sp?) to do what they can't or won't do. Think the Jews are that much better? Heck no. They are better because those who got back Israel were determined to fight and die for it. They are better because they will not let another Nazi Germany exterminate their kind. If they learned nothing from what WWII taught them, they'd be as useless as everyone else in the Middle East and just as easy to overcome in battle.

 

[Norman Bates]

Re: Re: Re: I am officially racist now

What do you call being held to a double standard? As far as invading, we aren't invading w/o cause, they invaded their neighbors, wrote a cease fire, then repeadly broke it. Thats not invading, thats restarting hostilities.

They invaded Iran because the western world wanted them to and invaded Kuwait because the US ambassador said that they don´t mind. And unlike this time, there was an authorisation by the UN, which made it legal.

Then why is the middle east the only 3rd world arena like this? what about central & south america, are they as angry at the US? what about south east asia or africa?

Thats not my logic thats you redrawing my logic. How do you explain the double standards addressed towards Israel or the US in the arab world? We kill 14 civilians, there is an uproar but 14 civilians being killed is normal in the Arab world. The US is held to a double standard.

There is a difference between internal affairs and attacking other countries. There are no protests over here because the USA is using death penalty. There are protests because the USA went to another country and started killing people.

Well, if after the war is totally over and the Iraqi people, en masse, didn't want to be free of Saddam i will recant.

We will see when the war is over and when a democracy is established.

 

[nice6pac]

have you ever been to the sand box picture this oil wells and nomadic farmers thats it in a nutshell throw in some anti american sentiment and burning us flags. as dennis leary said it "why do we desecrate the land because we fucking can thats why" survival of the fittest bitch if you don't like the shit we are doing too bad oh no i am not as good as you lets go cry about it. btw, one of my friends is a turkish citizen and he agrees and he want sto coem to teh us becuae he thinks the arab world is wrong and that their underlying motive is jealousy, it sliek american history x except its the victims who are doing teh harrasing

 

[spentagn]

what?

 

[biteme]

Hey Nord, I always knew you were racist. Join the crowd. It's not the color of the skin, it's their damn attitude.

 

[chesty]

nuke the tampons and be done with it. We got plenty of radiation suits so we can still get the oil.

 

[AAP]

Congratulations on officially becoming a racist on the informed basis of an internet conversation with an Egyptian.

Are you disagreeing on his original post and observations about the Iraqi mentality?

Basically, they are humiliated at being so backwards, and the feeling of impotence they have in standing up to the US and, to a lesser extent, Israel. The US overthrows & establishes governments at will, none of them can overthrow or beat Israel at anything, and the invasion of Iraq is seen as a sign of utter helplessness on the part of the Iraqi people, an inability to govern or assist themselves without someone else helping them. Beggars recieving money from a pompous donor who only gives out of his luxury fund.

Buuuuuuuuut, since when did it become the US's job to cater to the inane double standards of a group of failed whiners? A bunch of illiterate, backwards people can't lead a society properly now we have to walk on tip toes to avoid pissing them off by angering their double standards? Sure the US can be an asshole in the middle east, but they treat themselves just as bad, if not worse than we or Israel do. Apparently they can't handle that the US & Israel are accomplished nations while they are stuck in the 14th century with nothing to be proud of.

I realize that pissing off angry, humiliated, people who are filled with rage becuase they feel defenseless is a bad idea, but why is this our fault? We didn't make their cultures backwards or illiterate.

The guy told me 'if americans are willing to die to protect Iraqi civilians then that will lessen the resentment felt towards them'. Well shit. All we have to do is sent people out to die unnecessarily so angry violent people can not make up conspiracy theories or hold us to double standards (not as much at least) for a few months or so? sign me up.

Then he started bitching about the US's attempts to freeze iraqi assets and put them in a UN account. Well dumbass, maybe you'd prefer Saddam keep them.

I don't get the mentality of the middle east. Or, more aptly, i think i do get the mentality and i am revolted by their attitudes. Cultural clash i guess. Pride means nothing here in the US, unless you get it by $$.




So what part of this is not accurate?

 

[Lao Tzu]

Hey Nord, I always knew you were racist. Join the crowd. It's not the color of the skin, it's their damn attitude.

I really need to stop posting war related info on EF, i always end up bringing out the illogical fanatical asshole inside me, but its just the mentality he was throwing at me that pissed me off. Why not just come out and say 'if you spend an extra 10 billion of your own money to rebuild Iraq & put your troops at higher risk then we won't make up stories about Israel controlling your government, blame you for all our problems or burn your flag as much for a few weeks'. At least that would've been honest.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I really need to stop posting war related info on EF, i always end up bringing out the illogical fanatical asshole inside me, but its just the mentality he was throwing at me that pissed me off. Why not just come out and say 'if you spend an extra 10 billion of your own money to rebuild Iraq & put your troops at higher risk then we won't make up stories about Israel controlling your government, blame you for all our problems or burn your flag as much for a few weeks'. At least that would've been honest.

What's new "Grand Wizard?" I just got back from a time travel! Going to Las Veges to throw down some bets and I will use the funds to perfect my Cold Fusion Generator!