Human & Vet Grade AS

[Digital Ronin]

After reading a post this morning I realized that I'm familar with some of the more common vet grade AS, but lacking when it comes to human grade. (Thanks for getting me thinking M.O.D)

Anyhow, please add to this list...

Vet
Ttokkyo
Brovel
Denkall
Loeffler
Our Friend who will remain unnamed


Human
Organon
Schering

 

[Yellowbomber]

and of course the best ZAMBONS

 

[M.O.D]

ronin,

get anabolics 2000 or a pharmacy book called red book..you will get a list of the drug makers that you should use...sure you will pay more but that shouldnt even be a thought...

 

[GymRatSD]

Boy does this open a bag of worms...

How about this one: the "manufacturer" on the label of the product you have in your hand most likely was not produced in a lab owned by that company. Do you think that Organon, Schering, Norvartis, Roche, Parke-Davis, etc. produce their own products? Guess what -- they don't.

Many drugs today are subcontracted out to smaller, independent laboratories -- it's simply more cost effective for the corporations. In fact, many of these labs produce products for many markets, veterinary products included.

Therefore, is there really a true "vet grade" or "human grade" product? No. The only difference truly is the label.

 

[Yellowbomber]

Ronin no need to pay for the book, just go to this link and you can find out all what's available in Spain
http://www.portalfarma.com/home.nsf

 

[M.O.D]

true but i bet those labs are very clean and watched not only by the fda but also by the larger drug companies who are farming them out

 

[The Iron Game]

Therefore, is there really a true "vet grade" or "human grade" product? No. The only difference truly is the label.

And the price

 

[GymRatSD]

Well, guess what: Tornel and Ttokkyo are two laboratories that are subcontracted by these large pharmaceutical companies to produce some of their products. Here's a small portion of Ttokkyo's client list: Smith-Kline Beechum, Ciba-Geigy, Novartis, Pfizer, Hoechst-Marion Rousell, and Chinoin.

If this is the case, does that mean Novartis' products are also dirty and underground?

 

[M.O.D]

ok gymrat here is what im going to do....it may take a while but i will do it at my cost...i will order a bottle of shit from tok..im not picking only on tok but i guess its the easiest for me to get...i will then have it tested for strength and if any bacteria is found in it..

will post the lab results here.

 

[M.O.D]

in fact i will get both pills and liquid tested....since im going to do it i might as well do both at the same time...

 

[GymRatSD]

The tests will be redundant (they've been performed many times), but go ahead. But I would need a faxed copy of the test procedures and results in order to validate them. I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised, though.

 

[M.O.D]

not a problem faxing you results...btw how many poodles need 200mg of test?...LOL


my point is if they can lie about their drug packaging and usage can you really trust them to be sterile?

i think not

 

[GymRatSD]

Sterility and whom they sell their products to are two totally separate, independent issues.

 

[M.O.D]

Sterility and whom they sell their products to are two totally separate, independent issues.

oh i see its ok for them to sell a product that may not be sterile because they claim its for vets use only?...so you are then saying tok has no idea that 99.9% of their steroids are being bought by bodybuilders?


saying its two different issues is bullshit...im sure a lot of sources out there dont want be bashing these labs but thats tough shit....these young guys here are doing way too high of doses and have NO clue what is really inside these drugs....

if this was a one sided board it really wouldnt be of much value now would it?

im far from a newbie when it comes to using steroids...i started using the shit before most of you were even born and out of all those years i have never seen complaints like im reading here....and it all stems from those POS labs

 

[The Iron Game]

...these young guys here are doing way too high of doses and have NO clue what is really inside these drugs....

That is the point, we do know whats inside them. Thousands of people have used again and again with no more problems than can be expected from human grade steroids and tests have already been done as to their content. If Ttokkyo Labs products were harmful, dangerous and caused illnesses then people would not repeat purchase.

Peace

 

[M.O.D]

irongame,


if you did a complete search of this site in regards to infections...abscesses..drugs burning..lumps ect...and it comes up from people using tok and labs like them , so what does that tell you?

i have done thousands of injections in my life time and never had any of these problems...my only point is and i may be wrong , but the only thing i can think of is that these drugs are dirty..it may not be every batch but it seems one batch is too many....


any suggestions on what drugs you would like me to test before i order them?

 

[M.O.D]

we all know ** is a counterfeit under ground lab with zero quality control but nobody is commenting on why tok has to lie on their packaging ?...are they making these drugs 100% for vet use?..if so they would be out of biz a long time ago

 

[mranderson]

use only TTokkyo products no infectsiions great results,
the people you mention that got infected from "TOK" and other labs like that probably would of got infections from anything they were useing, because of how they handle their needles and vials, if they use the same needles more then once etc etc, most of the sides and injections are caused by the users not the product, not to mention your human AS is counterfieted 100 times more then you less expensive but just as clean vet products, why cost effectivness its cost to much to counterfite such a affordable product its not worth the time or money needed.

 

[GymRatSD]

On your next visit to Mexico City, take a tour of the Ttokkyo laboratory. Inside will look no different from a US lab, less the Spanish signs and such.

If you don't know, Ttokkyo has been around for over 10 years producing pharmaceutical products -- the anabolics have only been produced for the last year and a half or so. It's not a major part of their operation. If that aspect were to be shut down or discontinued for some reason, the company would exist just fine.

 

[Stew Meat]

There is almost no difference between vet grade and human grade anabolics... The bacterial count is slightly more lenient with vet grade but no where near the inocculation requirement to cause an infection. Ttokkyo, Denkall, and Organon are very reputable Mexican companies that sell vet grade anabolics. Brovel was reported to have issues before tighter regulation was introduced 5 years ago. You will never have a problem injecting vet steroids as long as you use sterile technique... same for human grade, there is virtually no difference. However, vet grade is far more efficient and easier to produce which is why they are more cost efficient.



-Stew

 

[Jeff_rys]

our friend with the funny eyes?

why can we not name **'s name.
There was a thread where one was saying that it was a legit factory.
Let us judge everyone the same manner. (This is not the Olympia...hehehehe)

 

[apbt549]

this should turn into a very good post .you guys have opened a can of worms here , i have one point to make if mex vet stuff was so bad why is it so popular .it can not just b/c its cheap yes price is one reason but there are others easy access, just as good ,and cheaper!!!