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How to avoid the 3 worst sides

Realgains

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Some of this advice does not apply to top competitors that need to be "on" all the time.

#1 worst side.....prolonged or permanent shut down of HPTA.
This is how you avoid it....

Keep cycles to no longer than 10 weeks and 8 weeks is better..
Time "on" = time off as well. The body needs time to normalize.
Use H C G the last two weeks of a ten week cycle at 500 iu's per day and prior to clomid. H C G use is an "extra" and is not absolutely needed. If your cycle is longer than 12 weeks then use if for sure.
Be sure to understand the half life of the roids or test you are on and use clomid when the body is clear of these hormones.
Clomid should be started at 200-300mg on day one and then used at at least 50mg per day for another three weeks.

Never use nandrolone over 400mg per week. Better yet never use it at all. Clearly nandrolone is the hardest hormone to recover natural test production from post cycle. This applies to Deca and nandrolone Phenylprop.
If you use nanrdolone then be sure to continue with clomid post cycle for at least 4 full weeks.

#2. Worst side......Elevated Serum Cholesterol and depressed hdl levels

Limit intake of satuarted fats(animal fats) while on.
Restrict cholesterol intake, although saturated fat is way worse.
Do 30 minutes of aerobic exercise three non consecutive days per week.
Eat omega 3 and 6 oils...salmon, Tuna, Flax and oil supplements.
Never fry with oils.
Only use olive oil or small amounts of butter......margerine is toxic and full of trans fatty acids.
Avoid foods with partially hydrogented oils or vegetable oil shortening(trans fats again)
Avoid 17 aa roids or limit their use at least.
Use Nolvadex 20 mg/day or clomid 50mg/day during a cycle that has 17aa roids and or estrogen inhibitors. Nolva and clomid act as estrogens in the liver and really help keep cholesterol down and hdl up.
Estrogen inhibitors like arimidex are TERRIBLE for cholesterol and hdl so I would highly recommend using nolva or clomid with it.

Worst side #3.

Hair loss .....if you have the genetics.

Use topical Spironolactone cream...see my previous posts on spiro. Spio is a potent anti androgen at the scalp and will work with all roids and testosterone.

Use finasteride with test or halo or methyltest ONLY. Only these convert to stronger steroids via 5 alph reductase to any great degree. Boldenone and methandrostenolone do too but only to a tiny degree.

Be smart and stay healthy














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ChrisOh said:
good post bro, I think gyno is the worst side IMHO

Gyno is bad but it can be done away with through surgery and it is no big deal really(I had it done) The scars are very hard to see if the cuts are made along the lower nipple line.
 
Realgains - you suggest not to use Deca at all but what else in terms of gear, is out there for us old geezers to use for our achy joints?
 
daveyboy said:
Realgains - you suggest not to use Deca at all but what else in terms of gear, is out there for us old geezers to use for our achy joints?

I am an old geezer too at 40 he he he .........If you find that you recover from deca okay then go ahead and use the stuff bro as it does keep the joints nice and lubed. Nandrolone does seem to be the toughest hormone to recover from post cycle for most individuals and especially guys over 30.
Bill Llewellyn hopes to soon release a report suggesting that nandrolone shuts one down hard at the level of the testes and that it is somewhat unique amoungst roids as far as shut down and recovery is concerned.
Many others have noted that nandrolone can be difficult to recover from including Bill Roberts.

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Damn, good post. This is going in my archives. Also you might want to add prostate problems which many body builders do not pay attention to - due to the fact that it is not visible.

Later
nautica
 
Swoleyoley said:
where do you get Spironolactone cream?


www.minoxidil.com

better yet make it yourself....

Buy dermovan cream
www.prescription-nonpresciption.com

Get some spironolactone from your doc.
Mix in 600 mg of finely crushed tabs with 20 cc of cream. This makes a 3% solution.

I like to heat it up in the micro for a few seconds and then wet the tips of my fingers before dabbing to the receeding areas. Rub into the scalp......doesn't take a whole lot.
 
nautica said:
Damn, good post. This is going in my archives. Also you might want to add prostate problems which many body builders do not pay attention to - due to the fact that it is not visible.

Later
nautica

Good point............it might be a good idea to use some Finasteride while on decent doses testosterone. Unfortunately we really don't know what the effects of others androgens are on the prostate.
 
Well, I think it should be mentioned that increased LDL and homocysteine leveles are by far a bigger problem than overall cholesterol and low HDL. This can be improved greatly with large amounts of B6, Folic Acid, B12 and TMG. I use injectable B6, Folic Acid and B12 for this very reason. Winstol is one of the absolute worst for cholesterol problems. I think long term, this is the biggest threat to BB'ers, but a lot you guys are so young that you're oblivious to what cardiovascular disease really means. I'd also like to see a/the study where Arimidex hurts cholesterol. I had high E levels and low T levels and my cholesterol sucked. I put myself on Arimdex and had it checked routinely a while later and it had improved a bit. Who knows if it was the Arimidex but I do know that high E and low T is definitely not good for cardiovascular. So I'm not totally sold on that one until I see so med studies. Finally, on the cholesterol issue, No-Flush Niacin, Policosanol and Gugalipid all help cholesterol.

Next, I'd love to see the supporting evidence for deca being so hard to recover from. I don't know if it's just me or what but I've been doing deca only on and off for quite sometime now and having no problems whatsoever. But I've also been keeping my dosage to 200mg every 4, 5 or 6 days. I also read a a few recent medical reports that docs are prescribing it more now to wasting patients along with test because it is very cost effective and has few, if any side effects if properly administered. I think your info only pertains to people who abuse it. Not saying you weren't saying that, just think that's a point worth clarification. I think deca is one of the safest and most worthwhile anabolics...well, at least based on my research it is.

Good post.
 
Realgains,

Do you have any studies or anything that you could show about the novla & cholesterol? I am very interested..
 
So whats the position on finasteride and boldenone and methandrostenolone? Are you saying finasteride is probably ok but to mix with these two, but probably not necessary?
 
Good post, but recommending not to use Deca at all is exagerated. Deca is one of the safest roid around. Ask 2Thick :)
 
Twitched said:
Realgains,

Do you have any studies or anything that you could show about the novla & cholesterol? I am very interested..

Do a general search on Tamoxifen and heart disease in the "net" bro. It is proven that Nolva helps a lot. I will try to get the links.:)
 
40butpumpin said:
Well, I think it should be mentioned that increased LDL and homocysteine leveles are by far a bigger problem than overall cholesterol and low HDL. This can be improved greatly with large amounts of B6, Folic Acid, B12 and TMG. I use injectable B6, Folic Acid and B12 for this very reason. Winstol is one of the absolute worst for cholesterol problems. I think long term, this is the biggest threat to BB'ers, but a lot you guys are so young that you're oblivious to what cardiovascular disease really means. I'd also like to see a/the study where Arimidex hurts cholesterol. I had high E levels and low T levels and my cholesterol sucked. I put myself on Arimdex and had it checked routinely a while later and it had improved a bit. Who knows if it was the Arimidex but I do know that high E and low T is definitely not good for cardiovascular. So I'm not totally sold on that one until I see so med studies. Finally, on the cholesterol issue, No-Flush Niacin, Policosanol and Gugalipid all help cholesterol.

Next, I'd love to see the supporting evidence for deca being so hard to recover from. I don't know if it's just me or what but I've been doing deca only on and off for quite sometime now and having no problems whatsoever. But I've also been keeping my dosage to 200mg every 4, 5 or 6 days. I also read a a few recent medical reports that docs are prescribing it more now to wasting patients along with test because it is very cost effective and has few, if any side effects if properly administered. I think your info only pertains to people who abuse it. Not saying you weren't saying that, just think that's a point worth clarification. I think deca is one of the safest and most worthwhile anabolics...well, at least based on my research it is.

Good post.

Estrogen does have some positive affect in keeping cholesterol down and hdl up bro. Bill Llewellyn has a study about the effects of estrogen inhibitors and cholesterol and hdl.....I will try to post it soon. Basically the study looked at two groups of users....one group used no estrogen inhibitors and the other did...well the group that used the estrogen inhibitors all had crappy total cholesterol and hdl levels while the group that did not use them had no significant change.
I do believe that 17aa roids were not used and these are noted for there negative effect on choesterol and hdl.
 
I hear you , bro. I think the cholesterol issue is a serious long term problem that we should all work on keeping our eye(s) on and addressing -- even beginning at a young age. Cholesterol itself is in fact an indicator of bad things that are taking place in our arteries. Namely, plaque formation or agregation mainly due to the havoc that homocysteine and LDL wreaks. Believe me, LDL and homocysteine are the numbers that you have to pay heed to when your doc reads off your cholecterol values. Total serum cholesterol is for most part a useless, misleading and needlessly frightening number. LDL and homocysteine are the only ones I pay attention to and work to keep in check. Sorry for getting off on a tangent here, bro, I didn't mean to take away from a damn good post. Thanks!

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