Well pro hormones are banned in the usa. They were decent. I gained 20 lbs off a 1ad/4ad stack in 5 weeks at moderate doses. I gained 30 lbs of 250mg/week test e for 5 weeks & 300mg/week test e for 5 weeks (One cycle - 10 weeks total). I got more bloat and mild acne off the pro hormones & no sides off the test. The new "designer stuff" is steroids- period. But I feel it is a better choice health wise to stick with stuff like test bacause it has been used for like 80 years. It has a long track record of being relatively safe. The new shit does not. Injecting is also a safer bet in the long run.. But after using every otc crap that has come out in the past 20 years I was realy cought by surprise at how well the 1-ad/4-ad worked.