until you learn the ABC's of cycling and have successfully run cycles with good recovery results with bloods to confirm it.
for some guys thats 2 or 3 cycles.. for others its 15 or 20. there are some guys on other sites you read who still have no idea what prolactin is and they've been juicing for 40 years. some guys just don't have an eye for fitness and learning the ABC's, others remain clueless due to lack of research and stubborniss.
if you are a person who has read my numerous posts on the correct way to cycle tren and follow my tips and strategies and 'get it' then you will be pleased I promise you that. had a guy just yesterday who is new on here who read my advice on tren and followed it to a tee, PM'd me to thank me for a very successful cycle and fast recovery.. he used to be on another site and those guys have no idea what caber even is. he learned more on here in 2 days then he learned there in 2 years.