How long to wait IN-BETWEEN oral cycles????

[wcjcMr.O]

As the title asks.

How long would you guys recommend someone waits in-between oral cycles? Ive been off cycle for about 2 months now. I started with 30mg dbol and ended the last 4 weeks of my last cycle with a non-methyl.

Thinking of doing an 8 week oral cycle soon

Superdrol- weeks 1-4 at 30mg/day
OR
Pheraplex&Max-LMG combo weeks 1-4 dosed at 45mgPP, 75mg 13 ethyl 3 methoxy/cap

finished with 4 weeks of a 19-NOR, at 90mg/day

Goal is just MASS. Obviously I dont wanna turn into the michellin man. But im not worried about fat gain at all. If I have to add some fat to put on more muscle, than so be it.

 

[dylangemelli]

its just the time on vs. time off man... how long was your last cycle, pct included? however long that was, then you need to take that time off and then your good to go!

 

[the small soldier]

As the title asks.

How long would you guys recommend someone waits in-between oral cycles? Ive been off cycle for about 2 months now. I started with 30mg dbol and ended the last 4 weeks of my last cycle with a non-methyl.

Thinking of doing an 8 week oral cycle soon

Superdrol- weeks 1-4 at 30mg/day
OR
Pheraplex&Max-LMG combo weeks 1-4 dosed at 45mgPP, 75mg 13 ethyl 3 methoxy/cap

finished with 4 weeks of a 19-NOR, at 90mg/day

Goal is just MASS. Obviously I dont wanna turn into the michellin man. But im not worried about fat gain at all. If I have to add some fat to put on more muscle, than so be it.

can I ask why no injectables?

 

[anonymity]

Two months off is fine bro, in this case it is the equivalent to your time on cycle. Remember to get lipids and cholesterol done to make sure you are recovered. I am quite a proponent of oral only cycles if they are done correctly, I find that it usually takes me around three weeks for liver values to stabilize after six weeks of dbol/anadrol.

If you are looking for straight mass gain, I would highly recommend a cycle of dbol and anadrol combined, but at a relatively low dose for each. i.e. when I run this cycle I stay around 50mg dbol and 50mg androl. People tend to react at the mere mention of such a combination of methylated orals, but I have never had any issue with them stacked.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

can I ask why no injectables?

I may run test c at 250mg/week. Just cuz im out of cash and out of oil. lol

I have one 10ml vial of test c left. So was thinking of just running that at 250mg/wk for 10 weeks than maybe do an 8-10 week blast and than a BIG pct.

still just a thought for now.....

BUT I got a shit ton of orals lying around, so figured id just do an 8 weeker til I get some more cash for oils.

 

[the small soldier]

I may run test c at 250mg/week. Just cuz im out of cash and out of oil. lol

I have one 10ml vial of test c left. So was thinking of just running that at 250mg/wk for 10 weeks than maybe do an 8-10 week blast and than a BIG pct.

still just a thought for now.....

BUT I got a shit ton of orals lying around, so figured id just do an 8 weeker til I get some more cash for oils.

haha the economic juicer. I like your style. what do you do for work?

 

[wcjcMr.O]

haha the economic juicer. I like your style. what do you do for work?

Currently in-between jobs at the moment. lol I keep on gettin temp to hire positions and the last two employers havent picked me up. Ive had compliments on my work tho so just tough luck I guess.

wish I had some more d-bol. I only ran it at 30mg/day and that was the first time Ive had pumps in my bi's that actually hurt. I normally get crazy pumps while on cycle or not, but DAYUM.

probably more mass(overall weight) from the PP tho. So I really wanna run that again.

 

[the small soldier]

Currently in-between jobs at the moment. lol I keep on gettin temp to hire positions and the last two employers havent picked me up. Ive had compliments on my work tho so just tough luck I guess.

wish I had some more d-bol. I only ran it at 30mg/day and that was the first time Ive had pumps in my bi's that actually hurt. I normally get crazy pumps while on cycle or not, but DAYUM.

probably more mass(overall weight) from the PP tho. So I really wanna run that again.

Sucks to not work and do this lifestyle I was unemployed for 4 years before I got my BSN now I have two jobs and I still spend too much SMH! I love Dbol (conditionally) I get horrific back pumps from it I have to be careful Def running an AI on cycle this time.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Only had back pumps that hurt my lifting a couple times. I will probably try the taurine thing this go around.

And ive never used an AI other than forma. And even than, on cycle I will use it every couple days. I dont mind a little extra estrogen as long as I FEEL good. I guess ive had some water retention before but I wouldnt say I was REALLY bloated.

tell me what you think. I uploaded a picture of me when I think I look the most bloated EVER. You tell me if you think I look bloated as fuck.

 

[the small soldier]

Only had back pumps that hurt my lifting a couple times. I will probably try the taurine thing this go around.

And ive never used an AI other than forma. And even than, on cycle I will use it every couple days. I dont mind a little extra estrogen as long as I FEEL good. I guess ive had some water retention before but I wouldnt say I was REALLY bloated.

tell me what you think. I uploaded a picture of me when I think I look the most bloated EVER. You tell me if you think I look bloated as fuck.

I don't "mind" estro but I developed mild gyno last time, really only noticeable to me (or a carefully trained eye) and the back pumps, so better safe than sorry.

 

[sojoocy]

Kind of jelly of you guys who get to run some orals, even though my blood work is fine and everything, knowing how much I abused my liver with alcohol in the past really scares the shit out of me with doing orals :/

Also bro you don't look too bloated, your face is a bit but that's to be expected even just bulking lol looking good man, thick as fawk.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

I don't "mind" estro but I developed mild gyno last time, really only noticeable to me (or a carefully trained eye) and the back pumps, so better safe than sorry.

ya for sure. I will most likely have some on hand, just in case. But I rather not use unless I have to. I tend to lean towards the thinking of, The simpler...the better. People injecting 3 or 4 different compounds and 2 different orals, along with some peptides, sarms and hgh and whatever else. It just gets so fuckin complicated the more you add....IMO. And I think it shows in peoples physiques.

If I have to do everything under the sun to get to my goals, than its just not worth it to me. But I know I can get to 250(on cycle) and still stay under a gram total. It boggles my mind to see some of the numbers people throw around here like its no big deal to run 2 grams or more of gear. And tren, dont even start me on tren. lmao 99% of people running it...shouldnt be

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Kind of jelly of you guys who get to run some orals, even though my blood work is fine and everything, knowing how much I abused my liver with alcohol in the past really scares the shit out of me with doing orals :/

Also bro you don't look too bloated, your face is a bit but that's to be expected even just bulking lol looking good man, thick as fawk.

hey thanks man. For someone who isnt REALLY running an AI, I think I look Pretty Good too. haha

And mind I ask what you mean by your liver damage? Ive drank my fair share in life. lol Have you had labs done to show your liver? Honestly because of my drinking I worry too. Even tho I dont drink often now. I used to pretty heavily

 

[sojoocy]

Yeh I get full blood work done every 3 months but I still don't trust it lol, I don't drink much these days at all but even last year I was smashing it at some times, I was a typical binge drinker, like if I drank it was only 1 night a week, 2-3 in my younger days but I just think my Liver has copped enough of a hiding to put up with orals atm, more for my piece of mind than anything lol.

I'm running Forma with prop for an AI, will see how it keeps my bloat at bay, do have Adex on hand but don't really intend on using it unless needed.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Yeh I get full blood work done every 3 months but I still don't trust it lol, I don't drink much these days at all but even last year I was smashing it at some times, I was a typical binge drinker, like if I drank it was only 1 night a week, 2-3 in my younger days but I just think my Liver has copped enough of a hiding to put up with orals atm, more for my piece of mind than anything lol.

I'm running Forma with prop for an AI, will see how it keeps my bloat at bay, do have Adex on hand but don't really intend on using it unless needed.

well it sounds like your listening to your body. Which is more than I can say for most people. Thats good. You will know when your body is ready for orals or not.

Thats my problem. I dont drink often. But when I do, I binge. And it usually affects my eating the next day. I know that for me...alcohol is a MAJOR deterrent for my muscle gain. Stay strong brother.........

 

[the small soldier]

ya for sure. I will most likely have some on hand, just in case. But I rather not use unless I have to. I tend to lean towards the thinking of, The simpler...the better. People injecting 3 or 4 different compounds and 2 different orals, along with some peptides, sarms and hgh and whatever else. It just gets so fuckin complicated the more you add....IMO. And I think it shows in peoples physiques.

If I have to do everything under the sun to get to my goals, than its just not worth it to me. But I know I can get to 250(on cycle) and still stay under a gram total. It boggles my mind to see some of the numbers people throw around here like its no big deal to run 2 grams or more of gear. And tren, dont even start me on tren. lmao 99% of people running it...shouldnt be

totally agree, If I could get to 220 with 250mg of test and dbol starting around 190 imagine what I could do with Dbol and test AND anavar starting at 205

 

[sojoocy]

well it sounds like your listening to your body. Which is more than I can say for most people. Thats good. You will know when your body is ready for orals or not.

Thats my problem. I dont drink often. But when I do, I binge. And it usually affects my eating the next day. I know that for me...alcohol is a MAJOR deterrent for my muscle gain. Stay strong brother.........

Even if I say binged on a Friday I could still feel it affect me in the gym on the Monday and even the Tuesday, and one of the main reasons I stopped besides wanting to better myself overall, I wasn't handling the mental aspect of it any more so saw it was time to give it up, had my fun, more than most lol.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

totally agree, If I could get to 220 with 250mg of test and dbol starting around 190 imagine what I could do with Dbol and test AND anavar starting at 205

exactly. I honestly think that about 90% of people have no business using gear. I love it when I see people who have a good foundation before using. Thats how it should be. Unless you plan on turning pro, than you should probably start as soon as possible. lol

and ya, throw in some DECA, damn boy you'd be up there heavy. I think deca is BLOW ME UP. Honestly juice kinda scares me. I blow the fuck up when I jump on cycle. And everyone tells me that deca just ADDS THE MASS.

I dont wanna blow up too fast. I think the guys that do that, look like shit. And you can tell they just juiced hard til they were that size.

I think there is a distinct visual difference in someone who KNOWS what there doing in the gym and just chemically enhancing. Than someone who "wants to be big" and starts juicing hard. I.E that video of the guy someone posted recently on here on why life is "UNFAIR" or some BS. Most people could look like that guy with lots of juice. Big Deal. Know what the fuck your doing in the gym, get a mind-muscle connection with your body, THAN hit the sauce and blow all others out of the water.

basically, if your on a gram or fuck 2 grams of gear a WEEK, you should be bigger than me. Im not that big and people run WAYYYY more than me and are not as big. I dont understand.

 

[RickRock13]

Its always best to run the smallest "effective" dose of any AAS. Too many people just dose the fuck out of cycles when they don't need to

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Its always best to run the smallest "effective" dose of any AAS. Too many people just dose the fuck out of cycles when they don't need to

exactly^^^^ thats what I was tryin to say. lol