how long can you be on?

[chaquito]

how long can you be on and still make gains? to all you guys that do 5-8 months cycles, do you still make gains all the time? if not, why are you on for so long? is it for maintaining? if someone is doing a prop/tren cycles for say 8-10 weeks and the change to testo enanathate for 8-10 more weeks, would this person still make gains? what is you experience? assuming you have diet, training and rest in check, of course.

/C

 

[frotobaggins]

Gains dont seem to come as rapidly after the first 14 weeks ( for me at least) but none the less, if your diet, training, and rest are good then yes you can still make gains. I like to make slow steady gains. I use anabolics to give me a boost when I hit a wall.

 

[mrflexdiesel]

Most of these people just are used to this amount of gear and do not want to come off. It's pretty much psychological. After about 4-6 weeks your gains will usuall subside unless you take a break, change substances, and/or raise doses. If running Prop + Tren for several weeks, switching to Enanthate wouldn't really be muct of a difference. It's still Test. If you didn't want to come off it would be best to go with a high anabolic like Anavar or Winstrol to try and solidy some of the gains made and then come off. Best bet is to get in quick, hit it hard, and then change the game before your body has the time to adjust to what you're doing. What sucks is if you have been long for that long of a time frame you will crash hard when you come off which is why most just stay on.

 

[frotobaggins]

I would like to hear you reason as to why you think gains will subside after 4-6 weeks?

 

[Dial_tone]

The only thing that really matters is how long can Y-O-U stay on and make gains and you have to find that out for yourself. For me it doesn't really pay to stay on past 10-12 weeks.

 

[mrflexdiesel]

I would like to hear you reason as to why you think gains will subside after 4-6 weeks?

"Unfortunately, the body realized we had altered homeostasis and the PTOR (protein turnover rate) all to quickly. The body began to react to our anabolic/androgenic steroid (AAS) induced alteration after two to three weeks and began its own catabolic counter measures as a means of re-establishing homeostasis. To do this the body stepped-up production of cortisol a bit and estrogen as well. Since estrogen triggers a negative feed-back loop that induces HPTA inhibition, the result was little or no endogenous testosterone synthesis."

 

[frotobaggins]

I think that for the average non competitive bodybuilder steroids should only be used to get you over a hump. Its not wise to try to add 10 and 15 lbs of muscle with every cycle because your body will constantly be trying to catch up. 250mgs of test will put me way over the upper range of 'normal' testosterone levels. That should be enough to get me over the hump and back on the road to making normal consistant gains. As long as you are on and your T levels are high then you do have the potential to make gains as long as your diet, training, and rest are in check.

 

[mrflexdiesel]

I think that for the average non competitive bodybuilder steroids should only be used to get you over a hump. Its not wise to try to add 10 and 15 lbs of muscle with every cycle because your body will constantly be trying to catch up. 250mgs of test will put me way over the upper range of 'normal' testosterone levels. That should be enough to get me over the hump and back on the road to making normal consistant gains. As long as you are on and your T levels are high then you do have the potential to make gains as long as your diet, training, and rest are in check.

Yes and no. If an AAS protocol is ran too long, even at a low base dose, circulatory cortisol levels (catabolic hormone that results in protein wasting) become elevated to a point where they equal circulatory androgen activity. The result is again homeostasis. What makes this worse is that when leaving an AAS protocol without other preventitive measures even at a low dose the elevated cortisol levels overwhelm the lowering circulatory androgen levels in favor of protein wasting. The result is loss of most of your gains.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

If gains subside after a few weeks, then why do most of the pro's stay on year round, and some of them gain another 50-60 ibs of lbm (or more) from their amateur days, without coming off?

 

[frotobaggins]

I believe that the info you are stating on cortisol levels is incorrect. From my research I have found that cortisol is prevented from binding to the receptors when you are on most types of gear. It has been my understanding that this is all linked to how AAS effect the immune system, but not gains..per se.

 

[Dial_tone]

If gains subside after a few weeks, then why do most of the pro's stay on year round, and some of them gain another 50-60 ibs of lbm (or more) from their amateur days, without coming off?

Because they can't maintain their current size without juice and they have shows/appearances that require them to be in reasonable condition too often to make a true off-cycle feasible. How many of them claim they are making size gains year-round?

 

[mrflexdiesel]

If gains subside after a few weeks, then why do most of the pro's stay on year round, and some of them gain another 50-60 ibs of lbm (or more) from their amateur days, without coming off?

Most of the pro's and national level competitors who DO stay on year round don't necessarily stay on high amounts of HPTA inhibiting drugs year round by all means. This is a common misconception and why many feel that they can stay on forever and keep getting bigger and bigger. Have you or anyone else ever tried staying on 1,000mg plus of Test per week along with Dbol or Trenbolone? After awhile you are going to stop making gains and either come off or increase your doses. What the pro's and big time cats know that alot of us don't know is to constantly change things up and work with your body instead of against it. You can technically stay on continously and continue to grow while staying healthier by changing scenarios every 3-6 weeks. Switching from AAS protocols, to Cortisol suppresion and HPTA regeneration protocols, to anabolic protocols including GH, Slin, T3 and so on. This way you will continue and continue to grow and not plateau. Of course the genetics of the pro's makes a pretty big different also.

 

[frotobaggins]

The body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis. The more you grow past what you are able to 'MAINTAIN' naturaly the harder it is to gain. There are many many things to contribute to this and I am by no means suggesting that gains should or would continue past a reasonable amount of time of being 'on'. I am only suggesting that everyone should be able to make gains for at least 8-10 weeks if you know what you are doing.

 

[chaquito]

bump

 

[waterboy44]

mrflexdiesel
I would like to know what your opinion is on 2,3,and 4 week blitz cycles. If you dont mind taking the time.

 

[solidspine]

I am on almost all year, gains for me are really a function of diet, training and rest. I am 54 so stay on growth all year and take one breaks and do pct then back on with different gear.

 

[H_T_]

Comin' off really sucks `cause the comin' weeks are gonna be rough, so ya gotta keep your mind sharp and keep pluggin' away. if you don't, that's how you become a slug.

 

[Themachine01]

I have never had trouble coming off. The time off is just as important to me as the time on. I believe that your body needs a break, as long as mentally you prepare yourself you will be fine.