How lean can you get w/o AS?

[latona]

I don't want to use gear, so I'm wondering how low I can get my bodyfat without it.

Is it possible for the average guy to get below 10%? I think I tend to store fat more easily than most (or maybe I just eat more ho-hos than most), but I'd love to get down to 7-8% if possible. I'm not sure if that is realistic though.

Also, if you are not using gear, is it inevitable that you will lose muscle along with fat, when trying to get lean? I've already lost about 10lbs, but I feel like at least half of it was muscle.

thanks.

 

[GinNJuice]

Also, if you are not using gear, is it inevitable that you will lose muscle along with fat, when trying to get lean?

Yea, I would say it is inevitable... if you can prove me wrong.... PLEASE do so.

 

[JohnnyO]

What about DNP? It preserves muscle a bit, and it's not technically an A/S?

 

[Jimsbbc]

clenbuteral is not a steroid, so you could use that. That is the only thing that has worked for me to lose noticeable amounts of body fat. It kicks ass

 

[HappyScrappy]

or penut butter?

 

[Warik]

Is it possible for the average guy to get below 10%?

I live below 10% and I believe Havoc does too. It helps having the genetics for it, but it's certainly not impossible for the "average" guy. Just because it doesn't take 2 or 3 weeks to get below 10% doesn't mean it's not possible.

-Warik

 

[latona]

thanks guys. I have been using hydroxycut and I might give clenbuterol a shot. DNP is great if you need to lose weight really fast, but I'm not in a huge rush, and I was miserable on it, so I don't think I'd do it again any time soon.

But my question is, even with those substances, if you are not using gear to preserve muscle, canyou still bring your bf down to 7-8%?

 

[latona]

Re: Re: How lean can you get w/o AS?

I live below 10% and I believe Havoc does too. It helps having the genetics for it, but it's certainly not impossible for the "average" guy. Just because it doesn't take 2 or 3 weeks to get below 10% doesn't mean it's not possible.

-Warik

thanks, I didn't see your post. As I said, I'm not in any huge rush, and if it takes me three to four months or half a year, that's fine... as long as I'm making progress.

I'm sure that there are cases of people living below 10%, but I think that people like you and Havoc, are probably exceptions. Before I started working out, I was really skinny, but I never had abs. I'm just wondering if after three months am I going to be hard and cut or just smaller and softer?

 

[JohnnyO]

I imagine a lot will depend on diet then. To minimize the loss of muscle, I would:

Up the protein (maybe a low cal protien shake every two hours while awake)

Keep the calorie deficit to around 500 cals .. (any more will start too much catabolism)

You won't lose fat very fast, but you will lose, and I think maintain the majority of muscle following this.

What do y'all think?

 

[plifter]

Of course you can drop below 10% naturally. Haven't you ever seen a starving person.