How is this for a first cycle - deca and sustanon300

[PEAKIN]

Ok so I posted up on here a couple of months ago regarding a few questions for my first cycle. I thought I would wait a bit and do a bit more research before I began, so im now ready to start shortly and I'm just wanting to get some thoughts for my first cycle. I want to gain as much muscle mass and strength as possible

Weight: 96kg (212 lbs)
Height: 185cm (6'1")

Basically I have decided upon a 10 week course of deca300 and sus300 with 1ml (300mg) of each per week and either proviron or nolvadex daily.
For PCT I would continue either proviron or nolvadex for another 4-5 weeks after the 10 weeks on the deca300 and sus300

I know I can get proviron for sure but haven't enquired about nolvadex yet, which would be best?

Is there any vitamins I should take as oral supplements as I'm on this course? I've read B6 vitamins are helpful on this cycle

How does this all sound and am I on the right track?

 

[st8grad]

Well you missed a couple key points in your research bro. First Deka is typically not recommended for a first cycle. Just a simple test cycle for 10-12-14 weeks really would be better. You can see the results you get from one compound and make a determination then if you would even need another compound in your next cycle.

Secondly deka is very suppressive. No need to make your first PCT harder than it needs to be.

Third you never use tamoxifen with Deka. It can actually make progesterone gynecomastia worse.

Proviron is fine, and can enhance you cycle for sure. It is good to use with a nandrolone like Deka because it is a DHT derivative. It will help with estrogen and reducing SHBG so your libido will stay intact. However it is kind of expensive and won't do shit for you anabolically. (Is that a word?)

If you want to run the Deka with the test I would recommend dropping the dosage down to 200mg per week. Then you need to have anastrozole as your anti-estrogen but also have letrozole on hand in case of gynecomastia. You should run cabergoline with the Deka to offset any possible prolactin side effects.

So from a practical standpoint maybe it makes more sense to just up the sustanon to 500mg per week and save the deka until next cycle.

 

[PEAKIN]

Well you missed a couple key points in your research bro. First Deka is typically not recommended for a first cycle. Just a simple test cycle for 10-12-14 weeks really would be better. You can see the results you get from one compound and make a determination then if you would even need another compound in your next cycle.

Secondly deka is very suppressive. No need to make your first PCT - post cycle therapy - harder than it needs to be.

Third you never use tamoxifen with Deka. It can actually make progesterone gynecomastia worse.

Proviron is fine, and can enhance you cycle for sure. It is good to use with a nandrolone like Deka because it is a dihydrotestosterone derivative. It will help with estrogen and reducing sex hormone binding globulin so your libido will stay intact. However it is kind of expensive and won't do shit for you anabolically. (Is that a word?)

If you want to run the Deka with the test I would recommend dropping the dosage down to 200mg per week. Then you need to have anastrozole as your anti-estrogen but also have letrozole on hand in case of gynecomastia. You should run cabergoline with the Deka to offset any possible prolactin side effects.

So from a practical standpoint maybe it makes more sense to just up the sustanon to 500mg per week and save the deka until next cycle.

Thanks for the very informative reply bro. I'm only planning to do one cycle, just a one off, that's why I thought I would stack it with sustanon, go all out sort of mentality. I think I will get some deca200 and try that with the sus300.

The reason I suggested the cycle is because a friend of mine is doing the exact same one at the moment with proviron and it seems to be working pretty well for him and he is 6 weeks in.

What do you suggest I do for a PCT with a deka and sustanon cycle.

 

[socket]

I'm only planning to do one cycle, just a one off,

We all said that..................!

What ST8Grad said, is spot on, listen, drop the deca out completely for first cycle, or when you do get the side effects, you'll not know which of the compounds is causing them.

Good luck fella, do some more research on nutrition first, including Vits, etc.

 

[corto]

LOL yeah when your are sitting in the gym high as fuck because you can lift everything like superman youll retract that statement

 

[st8grad]

Not only will you do another cycle, but you are going to wish you had twice as much gear when it comes time for your last shot.

It doesn't necessarily mean you are addicted to steroids, but you won't want to do with out them. Kind of like sex, food, and watching girls go down on each other.

 

[xrsist]

Well you missed a couple key points in your research bro. First Deka is typically not recommended for a first cycle. Just a simple test cycle for 10-12-14 weeks really would be better. You can see the results you get from one compound and make a determination then if you would even need another compound in your next cycle.

Secondly deka is very suppressive. No need to make your first PCT - post cycle therapy - harder than it needs to be.

Third you never use tamoxifen with Deka. It can actually make progesterone gynecomastia worse.

Proviron is fine, and can enhance you cycle for sure. It is good to use with a nandrolone like Deka because it is a dihydrotestosterone derivative. It will help with estrogen and reducing sex hormone binding globulin so your libido will stay intact. However it is kind of expensive and won't do shit for you anabolically. (Is that a word?)

If you want to run the Deka with the test I would recommend dropping the dosage down to 200mg per week. Then you need to have anastrozole as your anti-estrogen but also have letrozole on hand in case of gynecomastia. You should run cabergoline with the Deka to offset any possible prolactin side effects.

So from a practical standpoint maybe it makes more sense to just up the sustanon to 500mg per week and save the deka until next cycle.

good post.. k..

 

[eddymerckx]

good post.. k..

+1 good points--everyone remembers what goes together and forgets what should not be run together

 

[PEAKIN]

Ok so my roids come in the next day or two.

I decided to go sus300 in a 10ml vial and have 1.5ml a week so thats around 450mg a week for about 6 weeks.

Should I just take proviron along with it and with PCT just continue on the proviron for a further week or two? I have nolvadex availiable to me aswell, which is the best option? Price isn't an issue.

Cheers

 

[jumpmaster82]

alot of guys say deca isnt good for a first, alot say it is.
IMO deca test is a good first cycle. I can see why ppl say just test for a first, so you can guage how your body does on it. But I think deca is good with it for a first cycle. But I reccomend test e or c for your first instead of sust. Try them both b4 you use sust, so you can see which test does what with your body.

 

[st8grad]

alot of guys say Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - isnt good for a first, alot say it is.
IMO Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - test is a good first cycle. I can see why ppl say just test for a first, so you can guage how your body does on it. But I think Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is good with it for a first cycle. But I reccomend testosterone enanthate or c for your first instead of Sustanon. Try them both b4 you use Sustanon, so you can see which test does what with your body.

I think that with Deka being so suppressive and the increased possibility of gynecomastia sides, it's better for someone with experience to use. Given than you should run dostinex and have letro on hand. Plus, for me, using proviron or stanozolol always with deka. So that adds in one more compound plus heavy ancillaries.

More experienced users can manage PCT better as well.

With that being said, I think Deka is awesome.

If it's a must for two compounds on the first run dball and test would be great and PCT would be easier and they wouldn't need all the ancillaries.

 

[xrsist]

alot of guys say Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - isnt good for a first, alot say it is.
IMO Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - test is a good first cycle. I can see why ppl say just test for a first, so you can guage how your body does on it. But I think Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is good with it for a first cycle. But I reccomend testosterone enanthate or c for your first instead of Sustanon. Try them both b4 you use Sustanon, so you can see which test does what with your body.

why do you think a product that is very suppressive would be good for a first cycle?