Ran two cycles of BD and the sides sucked ass. Got one Dbol cycle in progress and it blows BD away, none to very little sides with the D (some slight water retention) but no headaches, zero lethargy and strength is/was better than with BD. BD is way strong and for me the sides are not worth it. For me Dbol at 30mg ED is the shit, even increased to 40 for a a few days to see what happens (went back to 30 as I do not want to tax my liver any more than needed. Everyone is different and our bodies react differently. Give BD a shot, but be prepared for the nasty sides. I started at BD 30mg ED and needed to drop to 20mg a day. For those that can run 40-50 ED that is awesome, probably where the real gains come from but there is no way my bod could handle that much.