How does Nolvadex hinder gains? --myth?

[dork]

I don't understand. People run l'dex/armidex/ferma/etc. all the time with cycles to eliminate estrogen. How would running Nolvadex hinder gains more so then any armotize inhibitor?

Do these products acctaully hinder gains? Any one have any first hand experiecne?

 

[Dark_Stalker]

I used nolvadex in my entire cycle and I dont believe it hinder gains at all... A lot of other bros also uses nolva in their cycle as high as 40mg a day with no hinder gains...

Vovan, if you read this add your comment

 

[Rich_d]

The theory is, which ias also FACT, that estrogen up-regulates androgen receptors so that the test has more of an impact. So, some estrogen is beneficial for gains. As to why nol seems to get the most grief I can' help

 

[Racer-X99]

I used nolvadex in my entire cycle and I dont believe it hinder gains at all... A lot of other bros also uses nolva in their cycle as high as 40mg a day with no hinder gains...

I will second that. I run 10mg of nolva m-w-f when doing 800+mg/week of test. The nolva carves me up and has not hurt my gains at all.

I understand the theory of why it would hurt, but we are men and don't need the estrogen levels of Rosanne Barr to grow muscle. I believe in reality and results and I will never again do another test cycle without an anti-e looking like a bloated cow.

 

[dork]

Nolvadex blocks estrogen. Some of the gains made from steroids are estrogen-related therefore blocking estrogen blocks some of your gains.
You unnastand?

Yes. I get the idea behind it, how some estrogen helps weight and muslce gain, but it just seems that almost everyone is using l'dex in there cycles now a days (which I think is great, i hope gyno becomes exticnt)

The aspect I don't get (as Rich_D said), is why i only seem to see posts about Nolvdex hindering gains, and noone seems to mention that armidex/l'dex can hinder gains.

Im only asking because im doing a light EQ cycle, and running l'dex @ .25mg EOD along with 40mg NOLV ED, and 1/4 tab bromo ED. (I used .25mg armidex w/ my first EQ cycle only, and had great results, could the results have been better if i didn't add in the 'dex? maybe, but it's not worth the risk in my mind)

I am very prone to gyno, had surgery once, and im running the bromo/nolv/l'dex to try and combat puffy nips, as well as lessen my chance of that devil'ish condition returning (or getting worse then it already it)

 

[slobberknocker]

I think galaxay usually runs nolv with his cycles. Look at his pics, and tell me if you think nolv hindered his gains.

 

[dork]

I'm super proone to gyno also, however that seems like alot of anti-e just for EQ. I would think 20mg Nolvadex ED would be enough for that cycle.

It's not just for anit-e. Im also trying to reduce puffy nipples for the summer. Some people have had success running Nolv at 20-40mg ED for up to 4 months. I have enought for about 2 months, so im giving it a shot. Im also using the bromo to combat any puffniess caused by prolactin. The l'dex is the anit-e for the EQ. I didn't plan on running the l'dex and nolv, but since i have both, and im very pron, and im trying to reduce puffy nips --why not? I't certainly not going to make it worse.

Not to mention some people talk about a relapse after coming off of Nolv, the l'dex will prevent that. If estrogen is released, the l'dex will eliminate it

 

[boss]

I used nolvadex in my entire cycle and I dont believe it hinder gains at all... A lot of other bros also uses nolva in their cycle as high as 40mg a day with no hinder gains...

Vovan, if you read this add your comment

see i will disagree to this cause the last cycle i did the novaldex and proviron seemed to hinder me.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Dial Tone & fellas, what dose of Nolvadex would you recommend for someone using a Test(500mgs)/Dbol(25mgs a day)cycle? What dose of Arimidex would you recommend for the same cycle??

 

[dork]

I need someone who knows the science behind nolvdex and armidex. I know that armidex eliminates estrogen in the body. And nolvdex just binds to it.

So i figure if armidex is eliminating any/all estrogen that is aromotized in my body, then the nolvdex should have no effect....EXCEPT, in my case i have some excess estrogen, which is why i have puffy nips. So the armidex is elimnating all the estrogen from the EQ, and the Nolv is helping to bind to any excess estrogen im storing in my chest....

(of course it could prolactin/progesterone which is why im running the bromo in conjuction)

SOOOO.....

Figure im doing an EQ cycle using the minimum .25mg l'dex EOD to prevent aromatizing from occuring. And on top of that im using Nolv+Bromo which wouldn't do shit to anyone with normal test/estro/progest/prolact levels, but since i have some puffness in my chest, it could help even my levels out....and since im running both the bromo+nolv i should be able to target it weather it is estro./prolc./progest.

Im also dieting doing 20mins+ cardio daily, and using yohimurn, so if it's just because of elevated body fat, i should be able to combat that also (Id say i have about 12% BF. My top 4 abs are visible after i run, and if i flex I just about have a 6 pack)

I hope i have the right ideas behind the substances im taking, and this is my reason for running alot of anti-e's for a light cycle...


(again, i used .25mg ED on a 400mg EQ cycle, and still got good results, now im using .25mg EOD and 20mg nolv ED on 500mg ---isn't this similar to the first?)

 

[dragon06]

What about using 10 mg ed of nolva with a deca cycle. Would that hinder gains?

 

[satchboogie]

can you say... proviron?

 

[Dark_Stalker]

see i will disagree to this cause the last cycle i did the novaldex and proviron seemed to hinder me.

Are you sure it isnt just water gain ? Nolva hinder water gain for sure, I guess thats why people have diff experience with it.

 

[dork]

bump for anyone who has a good knowledge of how this substance act in the body... (macro?)