How does my cycle look?

[iliftstrong]

Alright guys I am running 250MG test cyp 2x's a week.

I am currently running HCG 2x's a week 20iu

I am starting dex at .25 E3D at week 3 throughout


2 weeks after last injection:

PCT NOLVA 20/20/10/10
CLOMI 50/50/50/50

** Thinking of running Winstrol at week 6-12 Don't really know what dose right now** TO lower SBHG levels and for a little extra kick*


3,000 cals a day.
60% Pro
30% Carb
10% Fats (healthy of course)

What are you guys thoughts.
Been a lurker for a long time.

First cycle btw.

Stats:
26 Y/O
6'1
205 LBS
BF 13%
Training naturally 2 years straight been lifting 5 years.
Ran PH last year HDrol and EPI.

PRE BLOOD WORK
TEST 582
Free Test 11
SBGH 59
ESTRADIOL 28

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks guys!

 

[gatemoney]

At 6'1" 205lbs your maintenance cals are around 3000 ( off the top of my head).
Think you need to reevaluate calories and add a nice surplus.
Pct needs work, look into post cycle/unleashed. Not a fan of high does serms.

 

[bigb797977]

I wouldnt worry about the adex on 500 mg / wk unless you start to see sides.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Alright guys I am running 250MG test cyp 2x's a week.

I am currently running HCG 2x's a week 20iu

I am starting dex at .25 E3D at week 3 throughout


2 weeks after last injection:

PCT NOLVA 20/20/10/10
CLOMI 50/50/50/50

** Thinking of running Winstrol at week 6-12 Don't really know what dose right now** TO lower SBHG levels and for a little extra kick*


3,000 cals a day.
60% Pro
30% Carb
10% Fats (healthy of course)

What are you guys thoughts.
Been a lurker for a long time.

First cycle btw.

Stats:
26 Y/O
6'1
205 LBS
BF 13%
Training naturally 2 years straight been lifting 5 years.
Ran PH last year HDrol and EPI.

PRE BLOOD WORK
TEST 582
Free Test 11
SBGH 59
ESTRADIOL 28

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks guys!

Pct needs work. Always run an ai just like u have listed smart!

 

[Sinister Minister]

Alright guys I am running 250MG test cyp 2x's a week.

I am currently running HCG 2x's a week 20iu

I am starting dex at .25 E3D at week 3 throughout


2 weeks after last injection:

PCT NOLVA 20/20/10/10
CLOMI 50/50/50/50

** Thinking of running Winstrol at week 6-12 Don't really know what dose right now** TO lower SBHG levels and for a little extra kick*


3,000 cals a day.
60% Pro
30% Carb
10% Fats (healthy of course)

What are you guys thoughts.
Been a lurker for a long time.

First cycle btw.

Stats:
26 Y/O
6'1
205 LBS
BF 13%
Training naturally 2 years straight been lifting 5 years.
Ran PH last year HDrol and EPI.

PRE BLOOD WORK
TEST 582
Free Test 11
SBGH 59
ESTRADIOL 28

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks guys!

There's no point in running 2 serms in ur pct... I'd just run the clomid and some unleashed like listed above..

 

[Curly_Vancouver]

is that a typo, hcg at 20 iu?

i just typred ur stats into a bmr calculator and ur maintenance cals are 3250 at moderate activity. with ur diet at 3000 and ur interest in winny is it safe to say that ur looking to cut this cycle. if not then i would deffinatly go over ur diet again.
i think it would be safe to throw in 50mg a day of winny at week 6, you strength will skyrocket and you will like the way it makes you body look. aslong as you can deal with a sill bit of joint pain when you get up in the morning.

 

[Gearjunkie]

Drop hcg for now!!! No point running it every week through your cycle.

Start hcg after your last pin. You would be fine.

Drop nova as well. Nova kills libido.

Looks fine to me. Winny would be great IMO

 

[iliftstrong]

is that a typo, hcg at 20 iu?

i just typred ur stats into a bmr calculator and ur maintenance cals are 3250 at moderate activity. with ur diet at 3000 and ur interest in winny is it safe to say that ur looking to cut this cycle. if not then i would deffinatly go over ur diet again.
i think it would be safe to throw in 50mg a day of winny at week 6, you strength will skyrocket and you will like the way it makes you body look. aslong as you can deal with a sill bit of joint pain when you get up in the morning.

Drop hcg for now!!! No point running it every week through your cycle.

Start hcg after your last pin. You would be fine.

Drop nova as well. Nova kills Libido.

Looks fine to me. Winny would be great IMO

Man. Best thing I ever did was sign up for this forum. A lot of insight without you guys being super harsh. I actually did do a lot of research for 6 weeks before running it. I was just taking all the precautions necessary. As for the question about cutting you would be safe to assume that. I am hovering around 15% body fat I planned on running this as first cycle as a recomp cycle. My protein is around 300 G a day.

Things I am going to do:
Quit HCG now until PCT phase
Will probably adjust some on the cals and increase because since I started running dex I realized I wasn't carrying body fat at 16% most of it was water weight dex has dried me up a little and made me appear more defined. I am excited you guys think the winny would be great as I am looking to run it after the CYP esters. The reason I wanted to run the winny was to decrease SHBG and gain more strength while drying up a little for beach season. I know some people think running winny is a shitty drug but for what I want it does just what I need. I will be running liver guard while on that as well because it being pill form.
PCT I will drop Nolvadex

New Cycle looks like this

CYP 250 2xs a week 12 weeks.
Arimidex E3D's at .25 as that seems to really be working for me and just keeping estradiol levels around 15 to blood test confirm.
Winstrol at week 6 to 12 weeks
Cals changed to 3500 with 1,200 coming from protein.

PCT:
HCG after last injection 500 IU for 3 weeks at every 3 days
CLOMID 50/50/30/30
NOLVA on hand if anything changes.

Thanks a lot guys tell me what you think about that.
I did drop just as much on the freaking PCT compounds support sups as I did on the juice itself. lol.

Let me know what you guys think. Stay safe bro's

 

[iliftstrong]

My future cycle will be one geared towards mass...

Probably like Test 400 and Primo

I am actually scared of Tren after reading people on here..

 

[Sinister Minister]

Drop hcg for now!!! No point running it every week through your cycle.

Start hcg after your last pin. You would be fine.

Drop nova as well. Nova kills libido.

Looks fine to me. Winny would be great IMO

Thank u!! I don't see why everybody feels like they gotta run hcg thru out their cycle...

 

[Curly_Vancouver]

Running hcg throughout ur cycle make it soo much easier to recover once your off, ur balls will thank you for using it throughout ur cycle. Hcg isn't the most expensive compound around so y not, you can't be to carefully with ur body. Some may say u will get desensitized to LH this way but not when ur running 500iu a week. If you guys really want I can find all the studies I have read on this but I'm to lazy right now. I think hcg is one of the most valuable compounds in bodybuilding next to test.
And once or off test and ready to start with pct, each injection e3d should be 1000iu for 5 times to kickstart your natural test, then stop and start clomid. Running 500 for 3 weeks will have a weaker effect, in my opinion you should be wanting to get things going again hard and fast once u stop test.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Running hcg throughout ur cycle make it soo much easier to recover once your off, ur balls will thank you for using it throughout ur cycle. Hcg isn't the most expensive compound around so y not, you can't be to carefully with ur body. Some may say u will get desensitized to LH this way but not when ur running 500iu a week. If you guys really want I can find all the studies I have read on this but I'm to lazy right now. I think hcg is one of the most valuable compounds in bodybuilding next to test.
And once or off test and ready to start with pct, each injection e3d should be 1000iu for 5 times to kickstart your natural test, then stop and start clomid. Running 500 for 3 weeks will have a weaker effect, in my opinion you should be wanting to get things going again hard and fast once u stop test.

This ^^^^^^^. Run hcg during helps keep lh up and nuts plump

 

[Sinister Minister]

Running hcg throughout ur cycle make it soo much easier to recover once your off, ur balls will thank you for using it throughout ur cycle. Hcg isn't the most expensive compound around so y not, you can't be to carefully with ur body. Some may say u will get desensitized to LH this way but not when ur running 500iu a week. If you guys really want I can find all the studies I have read on this but I'm to lazy right now. I think hcg is one of the most valuable compounds in bodybuilding next to test.
And once or off test and ready to start with pct, each injection e3d should be 1000iu for 5 times to kickstart your natural test, then stop and start clomid. Running 500 for 3 weeks will have a weaker effect, in my opinion you should be wanting to get things going again hard and fast once u stop test.

Hcg will also make ur natty test suppress after prolonged use, so if u continue on for 12 weeks how do U expect it to kick start recovery? I've seen a study on that, technically it should be ran every 4th week with a blast and then again for pct.

 

[AliAli]

Hcg will also make ur natty test suppress after prolonged use, so if u continue on for 12 weeks how do U expect it to kick start recovery? I've seen a study on that, technically it should be ran every 4th week with a blast and then again for pct.

That should only happen if you take a lot of hcg but 1iu everyday shouldn't do damage. I'm only saying that because I have been taking hgh/hcg/dhea/test cream for 5 months now at very low dosage prescribed by my doctor.

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[Curly_Vancouver]

Hcg will also make ur natty test suppress after prolonged use, so if u continue on for 12 weeks how do U expect it to kick start recovery? I've seen a study on that, technically it should be ran every 4th week with a blast and then again for pct.

hcg will suppress ur natural LH not test, it mimics lh to make ur body produce its own test. dont get me wrong, im not trying to attack you and say u dont know what ur talking about, im sure u know this. but it doesn't make sense that it suppresses ur natural test when its purpose is to stimulate ur natural test. it will still surpress LH witch isent good, and thats y you dont run it though ur whole pct. but if ur natural test is going to be suppressed ur whole cycle anyways, it doesnt really matter that ur lh is suppressed when ur preserving you balls.

another way to look at it is that when u are running it throught ur cycle it keeps ur balls producing at a decent level so it is easier to start producing on ur own once off, its easier to bring back test levels to normal when they are not at zero, hcg keeps u above. makes pct go mush more smoothly and helps u keep ur gains cuz ur producing ur own test easier and sooner.
you may be able to get away without it on shorter cycles, but i feel that 12 weeks is a long time to have ur balls not producing test and will make it keeping your gains an uphill battle

"so if u continue on for 12 weeks how do U expect it to kick start recovery?"

i expect hcg to be a kickstart buy upping the dosage once you are off your cycle. ex: 2 weeks after ur last enth injection, up the iu's from 250 to 1000 per injection for 5 pins. this is a sufficient kickstart for you pct

 

[iliftstrong]

Alright so here goes one more time since so much different feedback. Pretty much going back to original plan.

TEST CYP 250 2x's a week = 500 per week
ARIMIDEX .25 E3D'S
HCG 20 IU E3D'S
Winstrol 50MGS Week 6-12

PCT 2 weeks last injection
HCG KICK START 1000 IU Per Week total of 5 injections = 5000 IU HCG 1 Vial.
Clomid 50/50/25/25
NOLVA Still on hand if needed.

It's confusing to run a cycle now a days everyone's got so many different opinions. I am just going to stick with the low dose HCG because I'd rather be safe then sorry and kick start at the end like my original plan. According to a guy who specializes and TRT he always gives his clients HCG to run 20IU 2x's a week to not suppress natural test.

I am not trying to be arrogant as you can read in the first post I did about 3 weeks worth of research on this.

BTW:
Support SUPPS while on
Fish Oil
Multi
Saw Palmetto
Hawthrone Berry
Vitamin D3
Iodine

 

[iliftstrong]

Just in case you guys were interested here is my lab workup to see if you think I would benefit in a future cycle or throwing something in on my current cycle

DHEA-S 334.2
ESTRADIOL 26
IGF-1 300
SHBG 52.8
TESTESTERONE 583
FREE TEST 11.4

Thanks guys.