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Excidium28
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Its best if you keep even blood levels, but than taking your whole dbol dose once a day an hour before ur work out, has been proven to give you even better results.
How do you take ur DBOL
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hammertime30
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Excidium28 said:
Fact or opinion??
2BIG4URMOM
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20mg in the morning, 30mg 1hr before work out
Excidium28
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hammertime30 said:
I'd say its recommended for most AAS, from what I read.
Excidium28
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oubeta said:
I would think thats the best way to do it. And just use caffine or something to boost ur energy before work out. I dont know about after 5pm thoug I have trobules sleeping if I take it too late.
got2getripped
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10mg right when I wake up and 10mg 12 hours later.
2BIG4URMOM
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Andy13 said:
I'm just curious, have u tried both ways? So many peeps just repeat what others say, not saying thats what you're doing.
For me I do take my morning dose now, but to be honest I have had so much better work outs and gains from before gym cycles, than small doses throughout the day.
I know peeps will say that's not the right way to do it, but have any of ya actually tried it(I know Hammer has)?
I have also noticed it's not just your dosing, but your eating regiment. I gain MOST of all from my diet, so I use my dbol for hard pumps in the gym and test for actual growth. Now i take a morning dose to even things out,(well i was, but that's a different story) and if the gains are the same or smaller i'm going back to single dosings.
I always chew one up instead of swallowing whole about 30 min before I work out. Probably in my head but I seem to get a bette pump in the gym. I also eat some fruit preworkout and of course creatine with some gatorade. I have never tried taking my entire dose in the morning. I have always split it up throughout the day so I can not say. I just started taking anavar and I am thinking of taking it all in the morning bc of its longer half life. So I guess I will find out if it works fine. A lot of people do repeat what others say but if I post I usually only talk from experience. You can tell me something until u r blue in the face but I probably wont listen unless you have tried it yourself I think that goes for most people. Real world examples are best in my book.
Excidium28
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you think spreading out dosages with dbol and drol is more effective than takin a single dose an hour before work out? I did anadrol single dose an hour before work out and had great gains.
hammertime30
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Andy13 said:
Ya'll really need to stop with this best way to do it crap....Just because theoretically it seems better to keep blood levels steady, none of you ran an experiment to finalize this conclusion...I'm sure if you ever went to college and had to do a thesis, just saying "this is the best way" means nothing without the leg work to back it up....Also I'm an engineer and have to back up all my statements with raw data or else they mean nothing...I've ran post about this many times and no one has legitiment research to back up that statement....and most of you are strictly jumping on the band wagon of what others have said who have only done it one way and don't really know what the fuck they are talking about...I've tried dbol 3 different ways thus far and have found that I made much better gains from a single dosing episode of 20mg before training... I've tried the 2 split (10,10) and the 3 split (10,10,10)...so how do you explain that?? I'm not concluding one over the other....but we need to start saying I feel, I think, I believe...rather than "it's the best way" for if you really don't know, you are giving out bad/false/inaccurate information to others who are seeking sound advice....."This is a HIGHLY misunderstood belief"....you want to try to explain in more detail why the belief is so "HIGHLY" misunderstood?
Also, if you look at some of my old posts...you will find where I broke down how a single dosing episode maintains higher blood concentration level over a longer period of time than a 2-3 split episode....I noticed after I posted that, no one had anything else to say about it being that most don't really no how it really works......
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hammertime30
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Excidium28 said:
I'm not go to conclude on that question, however from the various experiments I ran on myself, I've experienced the best gains from a single dosing episode vs splitting.....I will find my old post and paste how a single dosing episode maintains higher blood consentration levels for a longer period of time vs splitting (based on the half life)....Then you can come to your on conclusion.....
hammertime30
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Here you go bros....This is based on a single vs 4 split....Now if you went higher say 30mg (single) vs 10 x 3 you will find that they level off the same around the second dosage and then you have the 3rd dosage where the levels are higher but not as significantly higher as the 1st dose at 30mg...If it's confusing let me know!!
"If the half life is 4-6 hours and I took 20mg at once that would mean that I would have 10mg of effective time for 4-6 hours let's say 8:00am...now if I was to break that up into 5mg that would mean that I would have 2.5mg of effective time for 4-6 hours again lets say 8:00am...(which would explain why those who have taken the full dosage experiece greater pumps). What is the effective dosage for optimal nitrogen retention? Who knows!....
Anyway, if I was to take another 5mg 4-6 hours later that would mean around 2:00pm-6:00pm I would have 3.75mg of effective time 1.25(previous dosage) + 2.5 (current dosage). And going back to the 20mg dosage, I would have 5mg of effective time between 2:00pm-6:00pm.
Now lets take another 5mg say around 7:00pm so I would have 3.10mg effective time between 8:00pm-12:00am (.65mg previous dosage + 2.5mg current dosage) vs 2.5mg from the 20mg taken 12 hours earlier(roughly .65mg difference oh yeah this will definitely make a big difference in the effectiveness)
I'm not going to go into the other dosage for I'm sure you get the point...It shows that for roughly 8-12 hours the 20mg dosage offer a higher blood concentration than the 5mg dosages and then 4-6 hours where there isn't a big difference in the blood levels. Is it enough to be significant in muscle gains? Only true research can show that, however it does make for a good arguement!"
"If the half life is 4-6 hours and I took 20mg at once that would mean that I would have 10mg of effective time for 4-6 hours let's say 8:00am...now if I was to break that up into 5mg that would mean that I would have 2.5mg of effective time for 4-6 hours again lets say 8:00am...(which would explain why those who have taken the full dosage experiece greater pumps). What is the effective dosage for optimal nitrogen retention? Who knows!....
Anyway, if I was to take another 5mg 4-6 hours later that would mean around 2:00pm-6:00pm I would have 3.75mg of effective time 1.25(previous dosage) + 2.5 (current dosage). And going back to the 20mg dosage, I would have 5mg of effective time between 2:00pm-6:00pm.
Now lets take another 5mg say around 7:00pm so I would have 3.10mg effective time between 8:00pm-12:00am (.65mg previous dosage + 2.5mg current dosage) vs 2.5mg from the 20mg taken 12 hours earlier(roughly .65mg difference oh yeah this will definitely make a big difference in the effectiveness)
I'm not going to go into the other dosage for I'm sure you get the point...It shows that for roughly 8-12 hours the 20mg dosage offer a higher blood concentration than the 5mg dosages and then 4-6 hours where there isn't a big difference in the blood levels. Is it enough to be significant in muscle gains? Only true research can show that, however it does make for a good arguement!"
slat1
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I have tried it two ways:
1. 20mgs all at once an hour before working out on an empty stomach
2. 30mgs... 10 at waking (8am), 10 at 4pm, 10 at midnight.
Results for:
routine 1... sick size, stength and lb gains! Made me fall in love with the stuff!
routine 2... wondered if it was fake... minimal strength gains... not much in size or lbs either.
*When I ran the routine 2 my buddy ran the same stuff in routine 1 fashion. He laughed his ass off for two months while he blew up and I wondered what the hell was going on!
I, personally, will never split up my dbol dosage again! I am so pissed at the results of splitting it up that I have not done it since.
1. 20mgs all at once an hour before working out on an empty stomach
2. 30mgs... 10 at waking (8am), 10 at 4pm, 10 at midnight.
Results for:
routine 1... sick size, stength and lb gains! Made me fall in love with the stuff!
routine 2... wondered if it was fake... minimal strength gains... not much in size or lbs either.
*When I ran the routine 2 my buddy ran the same stuff in routine 1 fashion. He laughed his ass off for two months while he blew up and I wondered what the hell was going on!
I, personally, will never split up my dbol dosage again! I am so pissed at the results of splitting it up that I have not done it since.
Excidium28
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Do you guys take a dose on your off days? or only on work out days?
2BIG4URMOM
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Excidium28 said:
I take half of my daily dosage on my off days.
I do split dosages on my off days.
hammertime30
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2BIG4URMOM said:
Yeah same here...I took 20mg right before training and 10mg on off days (and blew up 8lbs in 14days while using arimidex at .25mg eod....was having some serious hardcore work outs....intensity and strength was off the hook and was pushing out extra reps due to the latic acid delay; which is another positive effect of dbol)....This time I will take 25mg right before training...I'm not sure yet as to what I'm going to do on off days....Tried the fucking 10mg x 3 split for 3 weeks and it fucking sucked dude....workouts were not as intense, didn't see the same strength increase and only saw 3lbs in 3 weeks......will never do that shit again!!!!!!
You know I don't expect to see 8lbs in 14 days everytime I take dbol, but damn if I'm not at least getting the same or better strength increase and kick ass pumps then what's the fucking point in taking it?? After all, it's the massive strength increase that allows you to push heavier weight more intensly which ultimately results in true muscle growth...with out that, you have nothing and might as well not take it at all.....
FknKnuckleHd
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I get the best results taking 30mg in the morning. I've been on it for about 5 days and my girls telling not to get any bigger...she's in for a surprise! But I'm also on growth and eq.
2BIG4URMOM
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hammertime30 said:
Definately bro, my main means of blowing up is my diet and whatever i'm using on top of my dbol. The fact that dbol blows you up is only a plus, but my main reason for using it is for the intense workouts.
I've noticed to get the same gains from multiple dosings that i have had to take nearly twice as much.
The reason for my split dosings on my off days is for the even blood flows(if that is really possible on dbol), or enough concentration to last me until my on days.
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FknKnuckleHd said:
damn dude i want to try GH so bad, but i keep talking myself out of it because of the cost....I just can't seem to find the reason to conclude that it's worth the cost....
liquidmuscle
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i am in wk 2 of AP dbol i take 10mg at 9am 10mg at 3:00pm and 10mg at 9pm and it seems to be working quite nicely. up almost 8lbs
It's interesting how a single dose works better for a lot of guys as opposed to splitting it up. In the years past (under a different name) i theorised here that administering hormones to our bodies should follow a "BURST" style of administration. I came to this conclusion when i learned that the body does not produce any hormones linearly, but has a lot of spikes at different times of the day and night. This should logically follow that attempting to take any AS and keeping the dosage steady all the time may be a mistake or at least not the most optimal way to take it. So Dball in the morning or a one dose might just be the best way to take it.
Also it's interesting that sustanon works better at a lower dosage then other test esters. A 250mg dose with all the ester weight removed will be perhaps about 180-200mg, so why does it work so well? The commonly accepted view is that has a very stable blood concentration, but i disagree. While i think it has a long life in the blood stream i feel that the esters cause very frequent spikes in blood concentrations, and this really mimmicks natural test release, hence the body takes to it more easily, so a lower dosage becomes more effective.
Also it's interesting that sustanon works better at a lower dosage then other test esters. A 250mg dose with all the ester weight removed will be perhaps about 180-200mg, so why does it work so well? The commonly accepted view is that has a very stable blood concentration, but i disagree. While i think it has a long life in the blood stream i feel that the esters cause very frequent spikes in blood concentrations, and this really mimmicks natural test release, hence the body takes to it more easily, so a lower dosage becomes more effective.
FknKnuckleHd
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FknKnuckleHd said:
I started taking 35mg in the morning with 2iu of growth and repeat at night. Its working like a charm. Except my face is oily as F!!!
thats the funniest thing I have ever read on my years on elite, someone telling andy13 not to talk in absolutes as he cant prove it. he is easily the most knowlegeable guy I have ever seen on these boards, and actually has to "dumb down" his posts so the rest of us can understand them. If he tells me something is true, then I have no doubts whatsoever as to the accuracy of his statement.
You guys should really do some research on his old posts
You guys should really do some research on his old posts
needsize said:
Andy13 doesn't post often but when he does it's always important and backed up with math/science, I agree. Anyways, I would trust experience over "common sense" anytime. It may sound reasonable that stable blood levels are desirable, but maybe there's something more important that we are overlooking which explains the better gains when taking dbol all at once.
How do you do your dbol, Needsize?
Anakin said:
I spread mine out over 4-5 doses
Too be honest I have never seen anyone with a physique that impressed me taking it all at once. I think when you are somewhat new to steroids, you can get away with taking it all at once. But to get to the size of a competitive bodybuilder, I seriously doubt that you could get there taking it all at once, unless you had very superior genetics That would be like injecting your eq and enth once every two weeks
kettlebell
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Andy13 said:
Which of Exciduim's questions is Andy13's answer addressing?
Thx for the great thread.
Mythicalbeing
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Equally....thru out the day.
Excidium28
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kettlebell said:
I asked if you take a dose on off days.
instant.muscle
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Excidium, what cycles have u taken? u look cut in ur pic, i was wondering how u got it? training hard urself or u took some winny?
instant.muscle
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also for milk thisle, when do yall take it and how much? how much should i take w/ 30 mg of dbol everyday?
instant.muscle
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someone help! must know how much milk thistle so i dont need a new liver for Christmas
kettlebell
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Have we come to a consensus on Dbol dosage on off days?
musketeer
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Andy13 said:
I felt really psyched up if I took 15mg about 45mins before a workout though.
I'd finish a killer back or leg workout and as I was drinking my post shake I'd feel like going back again!!
I would take 10mg about an hour later because I heard that your training would destroy what you had taken before. (right?)
instant.muscle
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someone please answer, how much milk thistle? lol
Excidium28
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instant.muscle said:
I would think what ever dosage it says on the bottle is fine. I take 800mg a day.
liquidmuscle
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10mg at 9am, 10mg at 3pm and 10mg at 9pm
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Sandstorm said:
Your suppose to keep even blood levels, so it depends on how long the drug stay's in your blood stream. For example winstrol stays in your blood stream for about 9 hours so you wanna take it every 8 hours, through out the day. I know with winstrol I broke out a LOT less when spreading my dosage out 2 times a day instead of takin it all at once.
