HGH Blue top.. Messed it up?

[Algy]

Hi to all at Elite.

I am new to the forum but not new to Bodybuliding but afer searching the web for an answer to my problem hit on this excellent forum and the wealth of knowledge that members contribute and so decided to impart my problem on you guys!

I just know there are going to be screams of 'You Dumb ass' etc etc so please save your energy I already know that and I wasted money and I should know better etc etc. Yup I am todays biggest arse! There all said. so please dont rub it in.

OK so I decided to take GH for the first time and got some Blue tops (kiefe), 10 iu bottles. Took them for 3 months+ and saw very little gains at all. Was running with AS 8 weeks on and off etc. Nothing extra to my normal AS cycle. No difference to when i was not on GH! And I was taking 10 iu per day ED. Cant be right.

Checked out this forum and read that loads of you guys use them (blue tops) and rate them. I was just about to buy Jin and thought wait one............Suppose its me and NOT the GH?

1. Was injecting into abs.......thats OK.
2. 10 iu a day .....double what most use
3. Shot 1st thing in am on empty stomach
4...........Here's my problem lads: I was mixing it with 1 ml of water.................way too much?
5. Was far from gentle with mixing the solution......went cloudy and frothy each time.....loads of bubbles!

Finished screaming?

So here's the question:

1. Just how much damage did I do to the GH? ie did i make it next to worthless? Is that the reason I got no benefit at all?

I am now mixing with .4 ml water in 10iu and doing it very slowly. The mix is crystal clear and no bubbles etc. I am going for a blood test on Friday and checking my IGF-1 and GH levels to see if the GH is good. I dont feel any side effects at all yet (numb hands etc) how long after starting properly would I expect to feel signs? Only been 4 days.

Apart from being a total arse would you agree that the GH I injected was next to useless? and thats why I experienced no effects. or is there still a chance my GH was sh*t? I will know of course thei week.

I intend to:

1. 5iu gh in am on empty stomach'
2. 30 mins later .1 ml of insulin
3. 10 mins later IGF (what does?)

4. same again in tea time

Please advise and coment.

Ta Muchly

Algy

 

[VascularitY]

I believe thats the standard protocol for GH

100 IU Bac Water for every 10IU Vial of HGH

could be wrong

 

[Kachunga]

Nothing wrong with the way you are doing it, so I would have to say your gh is either damaged or not real in the first place.
your injection method is fine, but sub q is better for fat loss
heat and shaking it destroys your gh, who knows how many hands it changed to get to you and if any precautions were taken to protect it.
now you said it has only been 4 days. On 5 i.u's/day of jintropin at the 14th day my hands were getting unbearably numb. I have since backed down to 3 i.u./day. If your gh is real and undamaged at 10 iu/day you are gonna be hurtin.
Vascularity, you are correct woth 100bw for 10gh.
good luck algy, and tell Tony Blair thanks for being a good ally to us!

 

[kbrkbr]

It doesn't matter how much water you added. None whatsoever. You WERE using bac water weren't you. Shaking the bottle during reconstitution could have destroyed its effectiveness. But most importantly, gh really isn't all that anabolic. I don't care what any so called experts say, 10iu/ED can't touch what minimal doses of real gear can. As far as Im concerned, gh is pretty much useless to anyone who's not using it to check their weight or for anti-agingn purposes.

 

[Kachunga]

It doesn't matter how much water you added. None whatsoever. You WERE using bac water weren't you. Shaking the bottle during reconstitution could have destroyed its effectiveness. But most importantly, gh really isn't all that anabolic. I don't care what any so called experts say, 10iu/ED can't touch what minimal doses of real gear can. As far as Im concerned, gh is pretty much useless to anyone who's not using it to check their weight or for anti-agingn purposes.

It matters for measuring purposes, so in a sense you are right as well.
I think I am benefitting from my gh, so I wouldn't call it a waste.

 

[MorganKane]

1ml for 10iu is fine.
You might have injected the water in to the powder with some force or maybe you did shake the bottle afterwards.

Its very fragile so point the needle to the side of the vial and inject slowly.
do not shake it but gently swirl the bottle.

 

[Algy]

It doesn't matter how much water you added. None whatsoever. You WERE using bac water weren't you. Shaking the bottle during reconstitution could have destroyed its effectiveness. But most importantly, gh really isn't all that anabolic. I don't care what any so called experts say, 10iu/ED can't touch what minimal doses of real gear can. As far as Im concerned, gh is pretty much useless to anyone who's not using it to check their weight or for anti-agingn purposes.

Thanks for all responses. Im using sterile Water for injections. new vial every day (it comes in larger plastic bolltes) bought from the chemist. It is NOT BAC. Will it matter as I mix and use immiediatly?

 

[solidspine]

I have used a lot of growth over the past 9 years, and must say that I think it is way, way over rated, and the gains are nothing special.

 

[Algy]

I believe thats the standard protocol for GH

100 IU Bac Water for every 10IU Vial of HGH

could be wrong

MUST it be BAC Water? I use sterile water for injections but it is NOT BAC Water?

 

[Algy]

Nothing wrong with the way you are doing it, so I would have to say your gh is either damaged or not real in the first place.
your injection method is fine, but sub q is better for fat loss
heat and shaking it destroys your gh, who knows how many hands it changed to get to you and if any precautions were taken to protect it.
now you said it has only been 4 days. On 5 i.u's/day of jintropin at the 14th day my hands were getting unbearably numb. I have since backed down to 3 i.u./day. If your gh is real and undamaged at 10 iu/day you are gonna be hurtin.
Vascularity, you are correct woth 100bw for 10gh.
good luck algy, and tell Tony Blair thanks for being a good ally to us!

The Blue top is from a 'so say' good source. I buy it direct, no middle-man (although HE may be a middle man of course!.........comes direct to me from the orient) Looks right from all the photos of Blue top I see but they are of course in plain bottles, no labels, palin box etc etc. I didnt get ONE side effect or any numbness at all and used it for 3+ months. TBH I didnt expect numbness or would of stopped / questioned it beforehand. Im running AS clean at the moment and just useing GH with slin. Getting a pump but that maybe the slin on its own of course. Its difficult to say of course if the GH is sh*t or it was me and my methods. I certainly think I messed up the mixing by being too rough..it went cloudy and frothy. It is now crystal clear when I mix.

Note that you guys say BAC Water. Will that mater if I use sterile water but NOT BAC?

Am going to the chemist anyway to get some or order on-line just to sure.

Before I changed to Jin I just needed to know if it was me messing up a good product and blaming the product and not me. Users of Blue top do rate it so I thought it MUST have been me. So I really need to sort that out first as the price I get Blue top from is less than 1/2 of Jin.........

 

[kbrkbr]

It matters for measuring purposes, so in a sense you are right as well.

No, it doesn't. If he's shooting the entire contents of the vial, it DOESN"T matter how much water he adds because he's going to be using all of it and doesn't need to measure anything.

 

[Algy]

Thanks for replies. I have spoken to 3 other guys that I know use this Blue top from same source. All are on 10iu daily. NONE have numb hands at all..........or indeed any 'side effects'. Does everyone here using GH of that quantity get the 'numb hands' and is that a sure sign of good GH?