HEY MODS is this the AF store

[HighIntensity]

delted my thread on ala type R not being that effect...


lol pure bullshit

WTF are you scared about, it was not as good and people should know, sorry

 

[THE BOUNCER]

of course they deleted it bro! you were cutting into there profits. lol

 

[scout420]

I just ordered some more R-ALA myself but I wish i just got the orginal less exspensive and i go threw those bottles of R-ALa like water.oh well you live and you learn, well next time it's the original for me.

 

[JG1]

thats fucked up

 

[THE BOUNCER]

well see how long this post last, either they will delete it or they will bombard us with studies showing us how affective r-ala is.

 

[HighIntensity]

honestly best ala I ever used

was kilosports so far

I am not a shit stirrer on the ana board (chat maybe but thats entertainment)

BB is my life, I plan to compete, already model and just want to help bros. So much bullshit is out there, and this board should let us vent and explain are experinces.

So I tried ala type R like they told me, and it was not as good.

again sorry certain mods
but this board is better then that
HI

 

[macrophage69alpha]

well its not in the recycle bin. Since threads cannot be "deleted" only posts, then it should be there..
did you look in your subscribed threads?

btw- I saw your thread.. all it was was a link to anabolical.com (which is odd since you just said that kilosports had the best you had tried)which is why I did not take the time to respond to it. If you are going to post about r-ala and want a response at least take the time to say how you used it, what kind of diet and dosages.

Scout420,
you are USING TOO MUCH.. cut back the dosage you dont need that much anything over the 1.2g mark is a waste for most people (there may be exceptions)
600 to 1200mg is a good dosage range for those not using solely for carb-up.

 

[SofaGeorge]

thats fucked up

 

[HighIntensity]

btw- I saw your thread.. all it was was a link to anabolical.com (which is odd since you just said that kilosports had the best you had tried)which is why I did not take the time to respond to it. If you are going to post about r-ala and want a response at least take the time to say how you used it, what kind of diet and dosages.


Macro I linked anabolic because this is the ala I bought today.
This is why I linked it, thus kilosports is the best i have used thus far.

Diet? whats that, haha I just eat and train. I always stay around 7%

I have used ala for 3 years now so I am not new to this. I know exactly how to use it, the mirror tells the story.

 

[FBI]

delted my thread on ala type R not being that effect...


lol pure bullshit

WTF are you scared about, it was not as good and people should know, sorry

i actually agree with HI on this one.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Diet? whats that, haha I just eat and train. I always stay around 7%

I have used ala for 3 years now so I am not new to this. I know exactly how to use it, the mirror tells the story.

care to explain?

you have used ALA for three years, what differences were there for you between ala and r-ala?

how much ala do you use?

how much r-ala?

 

[HighIntensity]

care to explain?

you have used ALA for three years, what differences were there for you between ala and r-ala?

how much ala do you use?

how much r-ala?


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See this is a trick question
why?

Because I will say useing a racemix I got the stinky piss, sleepy feeling due to lowered blood sugar, fuller muscles.

And you and ulter will come back telling me type R gives you none if this, thus the majic of R.

But I was always fuller wil a racemix., and to tell you the truth I like the sleepy feeling. Why cause that tells me I have a slin spike.

I am not saying type R is not effective, but considering the price and results, I stick to something I can feel, and smell.

And if you look back you will notice I always shot out AF for great service.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

High,

thats what I was looking for..

and yes you will may feel fuller and sleepier with the racemic.. it increases plasma insulin.. but it may also make you fatter particularly in an androgenic fat pattern (which is really an insulin insensitive pattern) with a distended belly and interperitoneal fat.

the sulphur smell in urine is at least partly unchanged ALA, but also it metabolites...

 

[Hbone]

Macro, other, I bloat badly from racemix ala, are you saying thr r-ALA does not cause bloating???????

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Macro, other, I bloat badly from racemix ala, are you saying the r-ALA does not cause bloating???????

YES

 

[Riker29]

I tHINK what we may be dealing with are some seperate issues:

Many who say they dont feel ALA, may not be taking it correctly. My understand is its not an insulin mimicker, it is an insulin sensitivity booster. So, for it to work the best, you myst have an insulin spike created already, and THEN the ALA changes the maner in which your body responds to THAT. (Add the fact that racemic mix may create an insulin spike on its own, and you see why you may "feel" it more".

Also .....

I think many people have correlated the side-effects of ALA as a way to tell that "its working". Since they dont FELL the lower energy, since they dont smeel the bad urine smell, etc, they assume its not working.



Comments?

Macro? Ulter?

BTW, any of my comments/questios regarding ALA (which then deals with the AF store and Ulter) are just for informational purposes. Ulter is VERY VERY cool and knows his stuff. Sure, he runs a business but he seems to be VERY into running it with INTEGRITY, meaning he WILL be honest about how effective R-ALA is.

So, my question are not against him or anyone, just technical questions.

You can tell the guys who REALLY know their stuff, becuase they will handle questions without getting pissy and defensive.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

agree that to a certain extent people relate side effects with effectiveness.. likely because they are easy to see/feel..

 

[macrophage69alpha]

riker,

it is also a mimicker.. to a certain extent.. what exactly the effects (on a metabolic level) at the very high doses of racemic are not clear.. they may be different.. but cannot say one way or the other)..

many of the effects are due to the VERY high levels of ala.. and they are usually the sides..

as far as ketosis with the high doses.. it is still unclear whether it is true ketosis or false positives (which it is very, very possible that ala metabolites will cause..)

 

[HighIntensity]

The bottle of type R lasted me 2 weeks

First week no heartburn, second week little heartburn but to be fair I started dbol this week.

second I lost weight on ala racemic, gained weight on R

just some thoughts

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Maybe you missed the fact that HighIntensity has been using the normal ALA for 3 years and has 7% bodyfat!

He has stated that r-ala does work as well as normal ALA!

thats odd, what it read was that the side effects were not the same.. he did not get sleepy and his urine did not have as high a sulfur content (smell)

btw- part of the pump issue is likely related to the pottasium sparing effect of ala.. higher doses may mean better pump for that reason

this is not to say that the plasma insulin increase might not be beneficial in some.. though there will be a likely fat increase (bloating and distension of belly)

 

[HighIntensity]

honestly though

It is really hard for me to tell, because of the aas use.

so my final point is for the money ill go racemic

but ala type R did not bloat my stomach, ala racemic did at times

 

[macrophage69alpha]

what AS were you using?

were you using an aromatase inhibitor?


if using test and no aromatase you may notice less effects (estrogen improves insulin sensitivity)... though estrogen also increases estrogenic fat..

different orals will also effect insulin sensitivity

 

[HighIntensity]

Tren only

for 4 months- no estrogen only cycle, just added dbol to bridge

have used ala with creatine in the past

 

[macrophage69alpha]

also, for someone taking normal ALA for 3 years, he should have a huge distended belly, cause that's another side of normal ALA, right?

LOL!!!!

yes, with calories above maintanance... but get the impression that has not been consistent use at 3g's per day...

look ice realize that you want to sell your hand capped ala.. but attacking r-ala is not the way to do that.

there will still be a market for Racemic ala, it may be superior in some aspects..particularly in those that want to increase insulin.. which some people do.. but in many ways racemic is inferior. with respect to insulin sensitivity this is definitely the case.

 

[Frackal]

perhaps the racemic might be more beneficial to those only looking to bulk as much as possible, and the r-type for cutting or those looking to minimize fat gain whilst bulking.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

perhaps the racemic might be more beneficial to those only looking to bulk as much as possible, and the r-type for cutting or those looking to minimize fat gain whilst bulking.

this , while perhaps a over generalization, is likely fairly accurate

 

[luto199]

very interesting debate. IM on my first week of r-ala and have not previously used ALA. I usually take 3 caps 5 min before lunch and 3 caps 5 min before dinner. Breakfast, if i eat it, is usually carb free for me.
Like i said im new, how often and how much do you guys take/think i should take? Keeping in mind i am just trying to loose some fat around the waistline. One of the big problems might be people not dosing correctly.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

If you want insulin sensitivity, why not just do slin? It's much more effective and cheaper.

insulin DECREASES insulin sensitivity. negative feedback.

r-ala increases insulin sensitivity..

but since you seem to be looking for anabolic effects (and the racemic ala did not deliver for you).. the addition of SLIN may be a good option for you.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I think I am missing something, how does slin work if it actually decreases insulin sensitivity? Isn't the whole point to take slin before a carb meal to get the carbs inside your muscles?

yes, but purpose is to allow greater calorie intake.. and shuttling is not quite that specific.. fat gain is very common with slin use...

btw- slin will increase IGF.. though not sure how really good that is (other than pure mass increase)

 

[THE BOUNCER]

this , while perhaps a over generalization, is likely fairly accurate

why do i feel like you always have a hint of sarcasm when you speak

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Ice,

you really misunderstand... I realize both the effort and the conditions of the capping. if you would like I can reccomend a company who can cap it for you at relatively the same cost.. probably less.. but you will likely have to pick up 50,000 min.

but you attack r-ala to draw attention to your product.. yes there may be jabs at the hand capping, but with the comments you make.. be sure that they are much milder retorts than they could be.

and actually most of the feedback regarding r-ala has shown it to be very effective at what it is designed for INCREASING INSULIN SENSITIVITY and DECREASING PLASMA INSULIN.. allowing more carbs with less or no fat gain, fuller pumps, etc...

ALA likely increases both sensitivity (though to a lesser extent due to some interference from s-ala) and plasma insulin levels.. some may find that this is the environment that they want...

but as far as "claims" nothing posted here has refuted that. and the results are in line with what is shown in the studies.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

Ok I see, because I hand cap my ALA that must mean that my ALA is not as good! First of all I can guarantee that I put more heart and effort into my ALA caps then you will ever put into your r-ALA.

Second don't make fun of me, because I am selling quality ALA caps, that you can't handle.

As for your business The AF store you have posted tons and tons of scientific studies how R-ala is better than normal ALA, but in the real world it doesn't pan out! kinda sound like HMB, in scientifec studies it was the shit, but in real life, it was a big, big waste of money!

i will back you up here bro!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

i will back you up here bro!

try both before you rush to judgement..

and there are some issues with capping conditions (the use of cap-m-quick.. WILL NOT RESULT in consistent 500mg dosage per cap.. dont argue.. it wont.. I have used it.. hand tamping of individual caps is much more accurate.. btw- this is the method that should be used for DNP capping)

but there is no faulting Icemans effort or desire to make a little cash in the beleagured canadian economy..

btw- the AF store belongs to Ulter.. I dont own any of it.. at all.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

try both before you rush to judgement..

and there are some issues with capping conditions (the use of cap-m-quick.. WILL NOT RESULT in consistent 500mg dosage per cap.. dont argue.. it wont.. I have used it.. hand tamping of individual caps is much more accurate.. btw- this is the method that should be used for DNP capping)

but there is no faulting Icemans effort or desire to make a little cash in the beleagured canadian economy..

btw- the AF store belongs to Ulter.. I dont own any of it.. at all.

bro, are you telling me you don't make any profits off this product?

 

[Riker29]

Hey guys ....

half the peopl on hear are talking about science and experince .. and a group of others is whining, "accusing" others of having mixed intnetions, etc.

If you have a question fine.

If you have science, fine.

Ice, you may have some technical points, but you keep taking anything and everything about r-ala, and turning it around as a sales pitch, and you end up looking worse bro. Why not focus on whats really happening, talk REAL science and info, and let people choose for themelves.

I think that this:

"perhaps the racemic might be more beneficial to those only looking to bulk as much as possible, and the r-type for cutting or those looking to minimize fat gain whilst bulking. "

...is well said. That may be a bit simplistic, but it does cover a lot of ground.