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hey huck... about endos...
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Sure,shoot...
This is a very good question.The A2 is largely an estrogen influenced receptor much like the A/R is dependent on androgens.As endomorphs,(or even as BB's who use moderate to high amounts of aromitizable compounds)we tend to possess higher than normal amounts of estrogen.This hightened estrogen often leads to proliferation(increases)in A2 populations.Knowing that A2's are a lipid-loving molecule,this is not a desired trait to possess.One of the first steps in decreasing their populations is to starve them of their necessary component-ESTROGEN.This is where liquidex/anastrozole has a powerful impact,as it not only lowers circulating estradiol starving the A2's of what they thrive and proliferate upon,but it prevents REOCCURRENCE,by ceasing production of the enzyme responsible for estradiols CREATION-aromitase.
Correct,same substance,it is a preference/price only determinent of what is instituted.
cool, price is no object with me at this point.. i am real sick of not being able to see my abs so screw it.
ok i am taking stacker 2 right now and when it runs out i am gonna go with an nyc formula.
also i just bought some EFA's omega 6, omega 3, and flax
is this ok so far?
ok i am taking stacker 2 right now and when it runs out i am gonna go with an nyc formula.
also i just bought some EFA's omega 6, omega 3, and flax
is this ok so far?
Yes,the EFA's have mild uncoupling and nutrient partitioning properties,so they are beneficial for regulation of metabolism.
saint808 said:
A big problem with Endos is that they have a problem
regarding the dissipation of heat from nutrient ingestion.
i.e. Instead of letting calories be used for heat, endos' bodies
store them as fat. Creating the "pudgy" look.
Even if you diet you will always have this problem. Basically,
you will have to be watch what you eat like a hawk and
keep your insulogenic levels low.
There is really only 2 ways to combat this problem.
1. DNP.
2. BIG DOSES of ALA.
DNP at say 100mg/day will get rid of your bodies fat-storing
capabilities.
ALA on the other hand will shift your bodies want to store
glucose as fat to oxidize it for fuel.
Then there's Arimidex. But this is only effective
if used CONTINUOUSLY. No breaks.
Fonz
also the efa's are gonna be for the loose skin and such.
ok i am also gonna take about 1000mg ED of ALA for the obvious benefits and for the fact i think it will push more macronutrients into the muscle.
would you mind if i put up a pic of what we are starting with and then delete it once you see it. I'm keeping a weekly photo diary as well as my complete diet journal.
think of me as your experiment.
ok i am also gonna take about 1000mg ED of ALA for the obvious benefits and for the fact i think it will push more macronutrients into the muscle.
would you mind if i put up a pic of what we are starting with and then delete it once you see it. I'm keeping a weekly photo diary as well as my complete diet journal.
think of me as your experiment.
I both agree and disagree with Fonz here.I agree the products he has listed would be EXCELLENT items to use for lipid obliteration,but I don't believe that they are the ONLY effective items for endo's.Obviously,I am living proof of that,lol.I think that items that act on A2's(yohimbine HCL/estrogen combatants)are HIGHLY beneficial,and I believe their potential has long lasting implications.
BTW,feel free to post those pics my man.You'll get no flames in this forum whatsoever.
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this is my diet i am keeping btw... i know i need to get more food... but i have never moderate carbed before and it is kinda hard.
this is my diet i am keeping btw... i know i need to get more food... but i have never moderate carbed before and it is kinda hard.
the nature boy
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arimdex for fat loss... I learn something new every day.
ultragainz
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you got some size when you get ripped then you will kick ass
The above comments are right on.You have a terrific base to work with.Big traps,delts,arms and upper thighs.Constructive criticism:Your LOWER quads need to be brought up to par with your uppers(ironically enough,you and I's legs are alike,I have HUGE upper quads but a very difficult time bringing my teardrops up to par with their size.Hack squats and extensions have now become a MUST for me).Chest mass should be another priority to match size with the rest of your upper body.As ultra stated,when you cut up,you are going to look tremendous.
As for diet,you need to take in ALOT more calories,as that is WAY too low(unless I missed something there,lol).Be constantly grazing on protein,get a serving in every 3-4 hours if possible.You can also take in FIBROUS vegetables,such as broccoli and cauliflower.
As for diet,you need to take in ALOT more calories,as that is WAY too low(unless I missed something there,lol).Be constantly grazing on protein,get a serving in every 3-4 hours if possible.You can also take in FIBROUS vegetables,such as broccoli and cauliflower.
cool, i just added hack squats last week and my legs were sore for the first time in along time... yeah my diet is killing me right now... i can't get enough fiber or calories. With no gear I am doomed to catabolism. Also when should i carb up? I keep hearing that in order to keep my body fooled i need to have a high carb day. My arms are also too freaking small for my taste.
saint808 said:
I have your problem in reverse. My arms are too big 18.5".
Seriously starting to piss me off though, because I'm
as symmetrical as I can possibly get except for my arms.
I think its that 1 year(when I first started training) that I spent
working arms EOD. Yep.....the "mirror" muscles.......LOL
I haven't even worked them out in 2 years and they still
aren't geting smaller, quite the opposite they GREW!!!!
....arrgghhhhh!!.
Fonz
oddly enough my arms and my calves are both 17" my symetry is not so good. as far as my training goes i am working to bring the arms up and the chest up something fierce... specially the chest. Also i do not get hungry at night like most people do... any other supps or drugs i should consider right now? Keep in mind my limited tim training... i haven't been at this very long.
saint808 said:
You're absolutely right.You need to be eating 5-6 small portions a day,with protein being the key macronutrient.Eating only 3 times a day with long stretches in between and having insanely low overall caloric intakes is going to burry you down the long stretch.Pick one day out of the week to have a 'cheat day'.knock your carbs up(but watch the simple sugars).Try taking in some oatmeal,baked potatos,rice and pasta.This will lead to glycogen re-compensation,and your muscles will feel very full and pumped for a couple of days following.It's a great feeling.
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
oddly enough i just had a bowl... but i try to cut my carbs out early in the day by my 4th meal... problem is i am skipping the last 2 or 3 meals.... i never in my life thought i would say this.... but i just can't seem to eat...
This will take just as much discipline as those who have a hard time OVER eating.You should at least make yourself a protein shake and try to slowly sip on that every evening if you can't force down some food.You're putting yourself in a heavy state of catabolism otherwise.
well diet is the key to everything.... unlike most of the people i know on the boards... i realize that gear is not the end all... its diet and training. I'm not opposed to gear mind you... just saying it's not like you can take it and sit on the couch or we all would.
ok next dumb question time.
!. how can i get my chest to look passable.
I have a unique situation here. weak tendons combined with bad joints. My bench is pathetic very pathetic
i am gonna try this:
flat bench
incline flyes and/or presses
incline bench
cables
!. how can i get my chest to look passable.
I have a unique situation here. weak tendons combined with bad joints. My bench is pathetic very pathetic
i am gonna try this:
flat bench
incline flyes and/or presses
incline bench
cables
#1-Forget about weight.
#2-concentrate on range of motion:Stretch at the bottom,and squeezing at the top.Look down at your chest while performing your squeeze and SEE the pecs squeezing together and rounding in shape.
#3-Toss the barbell out of the equation,and switch to dumbells.This will help make #1 and two more achievable goal.With dumbells you have a MUCH greaater range of motion to really STRETCH and as the dumbells reach the top position and move slightly inward towards one another,the contraction is much more intense than what you would get with a barbell.
#2-concentrate on range of motion:Stretch at the bottom,and squeezing at the top.Look down at your chest while performing your squeeze and SEE the pecs squeezing together and rounding in shape.
#3-Toss the barbell out of the equation,and switch to dumbells.This will help make #1 and two more achievable goal.With dumbells you have a MUCH greaater range of motion to really STRETCH and as the dumbells reach the top position and move slightly inward towards one another,the contraction is much more intense than what you would get with a barbell.
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The Shadow
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Good job Saint. Mind if I post a pic on here since I am now beginning to hit the gym again? I'm cutting as well...
Delinquent
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This is a very good thread so far. Thanks for helping Huck
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
You're not kidding about that. I'm not nearly as experienced as you, but in the 6 or so months I've been training I've always used dumbbells when training chest. Mostly because I train alone.
I have used a barbell on occasion though and it feels very awkward. I'm not sure if it's because of my size or what (6'4" 260 w/very large frame). I just don't feel my chest as much as I do with dumbbells.
By far my favorite exercise is DB Flys. I love doing them, I get a huge stretch when doing them (dumbbells practically touching the floor.) It just feels like I'm getting every last bit of chest muscle that I can get.
That's exactly what your doing Engicream.Because of the increased range of motion,i.e. stretch and increased contraction capabilities,you are recruiting a far higher # of fibers into play.
sweet so engicream has become a huckamaniac too... this is gonna be a good thread for us all.
I carbed up today and i have wayyyyyyyy too much energy right now... i didn't realize how much energy you could get simply from food. I think starting this thread will sriously affect my lifestyle for the better... time to stop dreaming and start doing!
I carbed up today and i have wayyyyyyyy too much energy right now... i didn't realize how much energy you could get simply from food. I think starting this thread will sriously affect my lifestyle for the better... time to stop dreaming and start doing!
Glycogen supercompensation my friend.
The lipids are released into blood and excreted.Fonz will be able to best define the mechanisms leading up to this prosess(i.e.oxidative phosphorylation).
Since you haven't/are not taking anabolics,1/2mg daily or EOD will work more than sufficient at keeping E production down/LH & T up...EFA's can be used at any time,but might be of extra use an hour before bed for their mild uncoupling effects(i.e.increased lypolysis during the overnight fast).
I have a pill splitter so i will just .5 mg a day or so of the dex. I will take the EFA's before bed with my ZMA. Shouldn't be a conflict there I wouldn't think. I just got 3 huge boxes of lo carb stuff... it was insane I ordered 10 lbs of lo carb pasta and that was only 1 of the boxes... it really is time to put up or shut up for me.
saint808 said:
The inevitable question has been asked.
Bro, what are your stats? (height, weight, bf%). Also are you getting your bf% tested before and after? That will be a great way to baseline and gauge your performance as well. Just make sure it gets done by the same person both times and that that person knows what they are doing.
Good luck! You're going to have a great physique once you lean up.
That's a wide open question,and there are so many options here.Personally,I'd lean towards oxandrolone due to the safety and potent anti-catabolic properties it possesses,but I'm a little biased as it's my favorite overall compound.
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The Shadow
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Saint do some Test/Ox....
I took some ox when I took the T3 and let me tell you I blew that one... First off the ox was an Inferior Product so i was taking half what my dose should have been and I didn't have my diet down at all. I basically wasted it 
If I were to do it again I would take something like BTG, ok I know it would be BTG to be honest no more of the bathtub gin for me.
If I were to do it again I would take something like BTG, ok I know it would be BTG to be honest no more of the bathtub gin for me.No,50 hour half-life,so time of day is irrelevant.
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The Shadow
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Saint - dude!!!
How many weeks have you been cutting during this challenge??
You are making remarkable progress natty. If you want to add a lil somethin, somethin, to the mix cool with me. I know Fro and Scrapp were doing the same.
I've only got 4 weeks between my pics. I challenge you to post up a pic right now. I'll do the next 4 weeks natty, and you use whatever you want.
I like this.
Put more pressure on me.
How many weeks have you been cutting during this challenge??
You are making remarkable progress natty. If you want to add a lil somethin, somethin, to the mix cool with me. I know Fro and Scrapp were doing the same.
I've only got 4 weeks between my pics. I challenge you to post up a pic right now. I'll do the next 4 weeks natty, and you use whatever you want.
I like this.
Put more pressure on me.
Cornholio said:
every monday i will take pics, so i'll stick one up then... plus this yohimburn is making me retain water. I need some shrink wrap or taraxatone, or low dose lasix. LOL
also... with only 4 weeks left prolly nothing i could do and/or get that quick that would make a dramatic enough change.
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saint808 said:
The Yohimburn will increase localized water retention. On the second day off though you can see the improvements. I just started on it again yesterday.
Trust me, 30 days on Fina could newt you 7-9 pounds of LBM. Combine with liquidex and you're cookin.
Cornholio said:
Ok, this is probably going to bring down all the Test lovers
on me.......
AVOID TEST AT ALL COSTS WHEN dieting if you're
an endo.
Unless you use 1mg+ arimidex a day, get ready for
ZERO results.
The best are Fina and Ox. PERIOD.
Fina is technically better but Ox cannot be discounted because
its a very safe compound to take.(If you happen to be
a first-time AAS user).
And, the DNP explanation is quite simple.
B1 cells store fat.
Ephedrine causes the fat from these cells to be released.
A2 cells cause the body to store fat from glucose(Fat
formation basically)
Yohimbine BLOCKS this process and the fat goes back to
the blood-stream(or glucose for that matter).
DNP then BURNS the fat coming from the B1's and A2's
in the form of FFA's. Free fatty Acids.
Ephedrine and Yohimburn themselves DO NOT burn fat,
they just cause fat to be released in order for it
to be used for energy.
Normally, it takes the body 20min into excercise for this
process to begin. Ephedrine eliminates the wait.
Fonz
Pure artwork fonz...So in essence,would you think that DNP as a base,with a rotating shift of E/C/A,N/Y/C(or yohimburn with some ephedrine and caffeine),and possibly clen along with some estradiol suppression(to down-regulate A2 activity/proliferation) would be a pretty ferocious lipolytic formulation?
Not if DNP is used in the light to moderate range,say 200-400mgs/day.
Fonz said:
Yes,if you remember correctly,in my past ignorance I referred to it as one of the most dangerous substances you could ever take,lol.While there could be truth to that statement,it is SOLELY based on education.Used in low to moderate dosages,this stuff is VERY benign,and it's lipid-obliterating activity is untouchable.
ok corn i just took a cold one this morning while getting dressed... notice the missing lovehandles? I dunno if i finally got everything together diet and training wise or what... i am losing some size (muscle) too tho.
So say I wanted to go ahead and finish off this Inferior Product Ox that is about half dosed... would it be ok to split it into 4 or 5 daily doses?
So say I wanted to go ahead and finish off this Inferior Product Ox that is about half dosed... would it be ok to split it into 4 or 5 daily doses?
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OK Saint --
One word: Inspiriation -- You're a kicking ass. As I said in my PM I'm really loving this thread.
Two words: Grammy Nominee -- As the best thead on this board for all of the great info from the Mods (Huck, Corn, & Fonz).
Three words: Keep it up -- I check this freakin' thread as many times as I possibly can. Great info.
Four words: Big up to Brooklyn -- OK, that has nothing to do with anything, but being from the suburbs on WNY I always wanted to say that.
Pebcak
One word: Inspiriation -- You're a kicking ass. As I said in my PM I'm really loving this thread.
Two words: Grammy Nominee -- As the best thead on this board for all of the great info from the Mods (Huck, Corn, & Fonz).
Three words: Keep it up -- I check this freakin' thread as many times as I possibly can. Great info.
Four words: Big up to Brooklyn -- OK, that has nothing to do with anything, but being from the suburbs on WNY I always wanted to say that.
Pebcak
hahaha i am just sick of being fat and want to defeat my predetermined genetics or, i say or, make them work for me. Which is what i am doing with this approach.
ok next question, say a guy could get some clen. how's this sound
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks ECA
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks NYC
rinse and repeat.
ok next question, say a guy could get some clen. how's this sound
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks ECA
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks NYC
rinse and repeat.
Toss a light dose of DNP on top of that as a base,and watch the adipose drop off by the bucketload...
NubianBeauty
Banned
Huck.... DNP and Clen?
Yes,clen would work well too.I actually am leaning more towards a light DNP base with rotating 2 week shifts of E/C/A,NYC,and clen.That sounds very mouth-watering,and it's constantly tweaking the angles and keeping your body's adaptative responses off kilter.
barnes3
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
So the rotation would look something like this?
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks NYC
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks ECA
rinse and repeat (as saint would put it)
-OR-
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks ECA & NYC*
2 weeks Clen
2 weeks ECA & NYC*
*- using half eca and half nyc through out the day (i.e.-one eca with one nyc in the morning and continues with the rest of the doses)
rinse and repeat (as saint would put it)
barnes3
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saint808 said:
very nice!!!!
I think you got this handles down...
barnes3
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saint808 said:
I used to feel like that... I switched proteins the past couple of weeks to ISS's ProM3.. its got the three different types of protein in it (Egg, Whey, Casein). Its got 50g Protein, 1g Fat, 2g Carbs in 2.2 lbs tub for $25. I do not seem to be hungry all the time since I have been using this. Once in the morning about 10am and then another post-workout. But that is just my experience.
Just thought that I would tell you this, it might help.
barnes3
Well,if they have active substance in them they will,lol.Oxandrolone ranks up there with the most potent anti-catabolic drugs,anywhere.It is a terrific dieting augmentory weapon.
Start out with only ONE tab at each serving,and spread them out a few hours apart.After about a week or so,your tolerance should go up.I was the same way,I had the chills after trying to down 2 at once,due to the shitload of Y in them.I dropped down to one at a time for a week and gradually built my tolerance up,and now I can handle 2 at a time no problem.
ok it's amazing what you can find around the house... what are some good tips for the dnp days or daze as it will prolly end up being. I read somewhere you had posted keep fruit handy? and you have to have your carbs up or you will be on fire? You had a great post on tri but it got whacked when the DB crashed.
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Saint- lost 4.5 pounds this last week.
Low carb diet with one body part per day training. 20 minutes cardio at each w/o. NYC teicw pper day.
Low carb diet with one body part per day training. 20 minutes cardio at each w/o. NYC teicw pper day.
Corn, nyc is the shit... i think it works better than eca to be honest. I am taking a day off from everything until my stomach sttles and my insides don't feel like someone has a fork in there scraping me. I may end up at the doctor's today... this is wierd.
congrats tho. time to kick it into high gear! Just as soon as my bowels cooperate that is.
congrats tho. time to kick it into high gear!
Just as soon as my bowels cooperate that is.
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saint808 said:
Here are a few good one's that I can think of off hand:
V8 Juice
Frozen Fruit (like peaches, grapes, etc...)
Watermelon (regular or frozen)
Really cold things that are low in calories but will fill you up (like frozen ice cream, Popsicles, etc...)
Frozen yogurt (actual yogurt, like Dannon or whatever)
If anyone else has any good tips, please add.
EngiCream
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saint808 said:
That would be a possibility.
ANother would be to run the Tren with the Winny to keep Progesterone levels lower and add in the var at the end.
ok how bout i wat til my winny comes in take my ox until then and the make my fina (btw i just found the plans for that and it looks like a 5th grade science project i was sort of surprised at how easy it was). Run tren with the winny for about 6 weeks? would that be ok... I don;t want to do a full blown cycle as i will be traveliing a lot and that will make it inconveneient.
Tren/winny is an excellent,synergistic combo,with zero water retention,which would be perfect for your current goals.
actually i am not atrue endo... i'm a mix... however i did run the tren prop and winny for 6 weeks... injections were so easy and it was almost sick because i looked forward to them... i also started gh halfway through and am running oit prolly for life... since that picture of me on the front page was taken.. i dropped almost 4 inches from my waist... now i still have this loose skin that is killing me.. but is prolly due to my age.... oh well can;t have everything overnight.
georgie24 said:
i was taking prop fina winny... however had to quit early... the fina actually made my blood pressure soar... it was wierd, and when i stopped fina my bp went back to normal... so that sucks because i liked the strength gains from it. I don;t have a super recent picture... however i will give you something to compare to the picture on the firt page of this post... no trunks this time tho heheh. dumb pose but it is all i have right now... gimme another couple of weeks to drop water too tho using yohimburn at the moment as well and i become a water log while using it.
Re: i dont understand....
it takes about 60 days or so to see results in any major way... all i have noticed so far is my skin is thicker and making it hardr to do subq shots now. and i am using ala with it... somehting's working cause i dropped another inch from my waist.
georgie24 said:
it takes about 60 days or so to see results in any major way... all i have noticed so far is my skin is thicker and making it hardr to do subq shots now. and i am using ala with it... somehting's working cause i dropped another inch from my waist.
