Hey Animal

[AAP]

can you answer my question on the Ana-Board?

Ok if I send you a PM about a couple of ?'s I have too?

 

[AAP]

Never mind, I will just ask you here,

People say that mg vs mg, tren acetate is stronger than tren enan. That 600mg of tren enan is comparable to 490mg of tren acetate.

Is this true?

Second question, though there are a lot of powder guys out there, I have been told that there is not a single kit available that will actually attach the ester to the molecule when you make it. Your thoughts on this?

Third question, if you made a combo mix and used 76mg of tren acetate for 1/2 of the cc, what would you mix in for the other half?

1cc = 76mg tren acetate AND ???

Would the combo be painful due to the BA content?


Thanks

 

[rjl296]

1. acetate is stronger due to the smaller ester weight

2. a person could attatch an ester (ie chemist), but i dont think its possible w/ a home kit, and i dont think it would be easy.

3. depends. prop would be good

 

[Andy13]

Never mind, I will just ask you here,

People say that mg vs mg, tren acetate is stronger than tren enan. That 600mg of tren enan is comparable to 490mg of tren acetate.

Is this true?

Second question, though there are a lot of powder guys out there, I have been told that there is not a single kit available that will actually attach the ester to the molecule when you make it. Your thoughts on this?

Third question, if you made a combo mix and used 76mg of tren acetate for 1/2 of the cc, what would you mix in for the other half?

1cc = 76mg tren acetate AND ???

Would the combo be painful due to the BA content?


Thanks

Esterification, in theory, is probably the only chemical modification that could be made to an androgen in a kitchen with any real probability for success..

To esterify an androgen, you would heat the parent compound with the carboxylic acid to make the ester-- for instance, if you wanted a prop ester, you would heat the androgen in propanoic acid with a drop of H2SO4. Of course, this all in theory..

You will need to become a little resourceful to obtain these carboxylic acids in the first place.. If you get these, might as well ask for some TLC plates to go along.

 

[Animal]

Let's just say that I know they watch those acids! Actually, it was in a warrant that I was manufacturing steroids because I had bought ppa. They are watched just as much as the watched list items of iodine and the like.

Another option is if you had some Tra and a prohormone with a long ester on it. Then you could do an ester exchange which would be a little easier and you would get 50% of each.

I don't know why everybody thinks the main ingredient in everything is BA. What you can mix with the Tra depends on the solvent AND the ester. If something is a long ester like Te, you can add that straight to it at 100mg/ml.

 

[AAP]

So basically, no kit can attach the ester to the molecule? (remember, I am not a chemically briliiant as you guys, but I think that is what you are saying)

 

[Andy13]

So basically, no kit can attach the ester to the molecule? (remember, I am not a chemically briliiant as you guys, but I think that is what you are saying)

It would be difficult to produce a kit to accomplish this.. Not as far as chemicals (the carboxylic acid to make your ester is the only thing you couldn't get from Home Depot), but as far as procedure..

It would go something like this...

Let's say you want trenbolone propionate..

Tren will probably dissolve in propanoic acid, but in the event it doesn't you would have to use solvent, such as tetrahydrofuran, and this is NOT available from the hardware store. You will then obtain a large flask with plenty of head room to avoid the use of a reflux condenser. Add the propanoic acid/trenbolone along with a drop of concentrated sulfuric acid to your flask. Now, heat the flask while swirling. (You will also need to protect it from atmospheric moisture, which could be an issue if you live in Georgia). After good heating and swirling, you will allow the flask to cool before diluting with a volume of water.

Next, baking soda is sprinkled on until CO2 no longer evolves.

All of this is so far doable, but in the next step, you will need a seperatory funnel to shake the water layer with another solvent, such as dichloromethane. The organic layer is separated, passed through a filter containing baked-dry epsom salts, and evaporated, leaving your tren-propionate (plus impurities) behind..

Now, find a good solvent to recrystalize your product in, 95% ethanol might be a good choice.

Finally, you will want someway to check purity.. A TLC plate is a cheap and kitchen-doable way to grossly assess this...

And that's all there really is to it.

Andy

 

[TXM4DM4N]

Is that all? lol

 

[Animal]

Actually there are two things which I've made which you won't even see in uncle festers secrets of meth manufacture and that's a reflux app and an easier way to sep.,

First the reflux. Get a stopper that fits your triangular shaped reaction vessel. Poke a hole in it and insert a 3 foot length of glass tubing. INSTANT REFLUX CHAMBER with no special water inlets or beads or anything! HAHAH!

To do a sep without a separatory funny you again use your triangular shaped reaction vessel and stopper it and shake it up. Then remove your stopper. Now to separate you take a needle and syringe and DRAW off the layer you want!

Therefore, the difficult parts are not the mechanics or the equipment, but the chems and nobody said how you are going to get PPA which is a powder into contact with the AS powder. In what solvent?

 

[Animal]

Actually there are two things which I've made which you won't even see in uncle festers secrets of meth manufacture and that's a reflux app and an easier way to sep.,

First the reflux. Get a stopper that fits your triangular shaped reaction vessel. Poke a hole in it and insert a 3 foot length of glass tubing. INSTANT REFLUX CHAMBER with no special water inlets or beads or anything! HAHAH!

To do a sep without a separatory funny you again use your triangular shaped reaction vessel and stopper it and shake it up. Then remove your stopper. Now to separate you take a needle and syringe and DRAW off the layer you want!

Therefore, the difficult parts are not the mechanics or the equipment, but the chems.

THF isn't all that fun though it's not that hard to get.

 

[Andy13]

Actually there are two things which I've made which you won't even see in uncle festers secrets of meth manufacture and that's a reflux app and an easier way to sep.,

First the reflux. Get a stopper that fits your triangular shaped reaction vessel. Poke a hole in it and insert a 3 foot length of glass tubing. INSTANT REFLUX CHAMBER with no special water inlets or beads or anything! HAHAH!

To do a sep without a separatory funny you again use your triangular shaped reaction vessel and stopper it and shake it up. Then remove your stopper. Now to separate you take a needle and syringe and DRAW off the layer you want!

Therefore, the difficult parts are not the mechanics or the equipment, but the chems.

THF isn't all that fun though it's not that hard to get.

Well, I certainly haven't relied on any meth book for my chemical know-how..

Perhaps your novel seperatory funnel was not mentioned because...... .. Because you can get on on ebay for really cheap...

Lets get back to the question here.. I say, given access to any chem, any laboratory apparatus, the average Joe-tren-converter will still fuck up an esterification..

 

[Animal]

Well, I certainly haven't relied on any meth book for my chemical know-how..

Well, maybe you should!

It's about making do with what you have at hand and therefore you don't need a stupid ebay order or some giant flask.

So 'not' reading something gives you some increased intelligence. That's an interesting statement in and of itself.

And yea, most would fuck it up.