HEP C/ Elevated liver enzymes and testosterone

[Solidrock1951]

I know that someone with elevated liver enzymes should probably not be doing steroids in the first place and I am not looking for a lecture here please. I am doing the injectables because they are much easier on the liver than the orals as I have read. I have done one cycle of test enan 500mg/week. I checked my liver enzymes at one point and they were elevated only slightly above what they normally are; they are usually about 1 and 1/2 times normal and they jumped to about 3 times normal which I find acceptable for a short period of time, as I know they return to normal after disuse. I know that this is only going to speed the process of disease but I am only planning to do one or two more cycles with test enan only.
For anyone with experience or knowledge in this area that might be able to inform me a little more about liver disease and steroid use, or on elevated enzyme levels and injectable steroids that are not too all that hard on the liver I would appreciate hearing what you know and hearing your point of view. Also if you have any knowledge about which particular steroids would be the best (least harmful)to use given this situation I would love to share in this knowledge. Also any relevant articles or websites on this dilemna would be appreciated. Thankyou gentleman.

 

[lanky]

transdermal testosterone... if you inject you are setting yourself up for a secondary infection...which you do not particularly want with acute elevated liver values as you commented from your Hepatic panel from Hepatitis C.

 

[Solidrock1951]

transdermal testosterone... if you inject you are setting yourself up for a secondary infection...which you do not particularly want with acute elevated liver values as you commented from your Hepatic panel from Hepatitis C.

What do you mean by a secondary infection? I have no idea what you are talking about but I wish you would explain because these are exactly the issues I am asking to know about.

 

[lanky]

The steroids you plan on injecting might not be sterile(or real) or your technique might not be correct, or your syringe is not sterile, so if you inject you might get an infection(could be local ie..swelling, pus,,,or could be systemic,,bacteremia, fever, multi organ failure ,,,either of these two combined with your current medical diagnosis of hep c could land you in the hospital....catious use of testosterone is indicated in cases of liver disease. and this is IF it is coming from a registered liscensed pharmacy(which i doubt in your case)(and is sterile)(and is in fact test enanthate)(and is a pharmacological dose),,i bet you planed on adding a little more ml's to the syringe and administered by a registered nurse, nurse practitioner, physician etc...

 

[guest username]

I agree. There is a chance of bacteremia from unsterile products, but those with hepatitis C aren't at substantially increased risks of bacteremia. (Patients with HIV or other immunocompromising conditions are.)

3 times the upper limit of normal is a significant bump in your LFT's. I would not tolerate that, even for short periods of time. Remember, your LFT's might return to normal after your cycle, but while those LFT's are elevated, your liver is being subjected to severe damage. You are speeding up cirrhosis of your liver -- a process that will not correct itself more than a slight correction.

You should really be discussing this with your physician. Even if you are using illegal steroids, the physician should not report you. I see patients all the time who admit to using steroids, cocaine, marijuana, etc. and I don't report them.

With regards to fake gear and unsterile gear, please be careful with this. There was a college football player who recently lost both his legs from necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating bacteria), thought to be related to injecting steroids.

 

[lanky]

I agree. There is a chance of bacteremia from unsterile products, but those with hepatitis C aren't at substantially increased risks of bacteremia. (Patients with HIV or other immunocompromising conditions are.)

3 times the upper limit of normal is a significant bump in your LFT's. I would not tolerate that, even for short periods of time. Remember, your LFT's might return to normal after your cycle, but while those LFT's are elevated, your liver is being subjected to severe damage. You are speeding up cirrhosis of your liver -- a process that will not correct itself more than a slight correction.

You should really be discussing this with your physician. Even if you are using illegal steroids, the physician should not report you. I see patients all the time who admit to using steroids, cocaine, marijuana, etc. and I don't report them.

With regards to fake gear and unsterile gear, please be careful with this. There was a college football player who recently lost both his legs from necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating bacteria), thought to be related to injecting steroids.

I agree with you about the discussing drug use with his primary/endo, he needs greater frequency of bloodwork as well,,also patient teaching about his condition...

 

[guest username]

I agree with you about the discussing drug use with his primary/endo, he needs greater frequency of bloodwork as well,,also patient teaching about his condition...

Right, whereas most people with mild elevations in their transaminases will suffer no long-term sequelae, those with hep C often find that's not the case.

 

[boogersnax]

I "had" Hep-C 2+ years ago but after a year of injections of alpha-2A-pegulated interferon, I no longer have a viral load. I have my blood tested every 6 months now.

As far as using steroids, if you use, use injectable test or durabolan. Your body produces test and nor-test so it is a natural substance that your liver breaks down every day. In my opinion, I think you can use without fear.

Now, I recommend short cycles; 3 to 4 weeks at a time. 1cc each EOD.

Big question Bro...Are you being treated for the Hep-C? If not, why the fuck not? I will eventually kill you...

PEACE
BoogerSnax

 

[NFG123]

I agree. There is a chance of bacteremia from unsterile products, but those with hepatitis C aren't at substantially increased risks of bacteremia. (Patients with HIV or other immunocompromising conditions are.)

3 times the upper limit of normal is a significant bump in your LFT's. I would not tolerate that, even for short periods of time. Remember, your LFT's might return to normal after your cycle, but while those LFT's are elevated, your liver is being subjected to severe damage. You are speeding up cirrhosis of your liver -- a process that will not correct itself more than a slight correction.

You should really be discussing this with your physician. Even if you are using illegal steroids, the physician should not report you. I see patients all the time who admit to using steroids, cocaine, marijuana, etc. and I don't report them.

With regards to fake gear and unsterile gear, please be careful with this. There was a college football player who recently lost both his legs from necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating bacteria), thought to be related to injecting steroids.

this is good medical advice. listen to it.

physicians will not report you but they will record in your medical records and may code it as IVDA, etc.

there is this pervasive myth in bb that injected agents are not hepatotoxic. this is not true! injected androgens (non 17 aa) ARE associated with hepatic adenomas.

NFG

 

[Spartacus]

I'm bumping this in connection with the current oral steriods poll thread
and I'm going to add additional quotes from swatdoc lifted from a locked thread
to follow

 

[Spartacus]

swatdoc;

"Most of the effects that people cite regarding anabolic androgenic steroids use comes from abuse, not use. Under a physician's supervision (where monitoring of liver enzymes, thyroid functions, and other health effects), anabolic androgenic steroids can be safe. Unfortunately, Congress and the DEA think otherwise, and any physician who prescribes anabolics is likely to have his or her license revoked and face jail time. This is why nearly all physicians will refuse to write for steroids.

Taken in moderation, steroids will increase your chances of developing cancer (primarily liver), heart attack (through testosterone's ability to increase LDL while decreasing HDL, or the good cholesterol), stroke (raises blood pressure), and a few other ailments. However, as with every drug, there is a side effect-benefit discussion that needs to be made. Most people will agree that the benefits outweigh the side effects when used in moderation, with careful monitoring, and only for a short course done infrequently (i.e., every other year).

However, when people start stacking steroids, using mega doses, etc., then it becomes a serious problem where your risk of an adverse health effect is substantially increased. If physicians were allowed to prescribe steroids without federal watchdogs second guessing their prescribing patterns, then this would be less likely to occur. It's similar to the situation when abortions were banned: numerous women became seriously ill from sepsis and many died from abortions performed in alleys, pop up abortion clinics, and from unlicensed providers."

taken from this thread
I believe the thread was locked because of the antics of a troll but it contains much good solid info such as the above contributed by swatdoc

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...nabolic-steroids-indirect-suicide-571688.html