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Nutrient-Nut
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I disagree! If someone can't use injectables for some reason, then orals only is an alternative that can be done with good results and minimal harm done to the body. You must research the orals in depth and understand that some shouldn't be stacked with others. If you're looking for size, look into a Dianabol/Anavar stack. If you're wanting to do more of a cutting cycle, try Winstrol/Anavar stack. These are both good combinations and wouldn't be that stressful to the liver if only ran for a total of 6 weeks.
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PS - You probably already know, but if not, don't stack Anadrol with Dianabol. They both pretty much do the same thing and it would be a waste to stack these two together. Also, this stack would be too much stress to the liver. Not a good combo.
NN
PS - You probably already know, but if not, don't stack Anadrol with Dianabol. They both pretty much do the same thing and it would be a waste to stack these two together. Also, this stack would be too much stress to the liver. Not a good combo.
Nutrient-Nut
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swoldier said:
Sounds like the Elite board has this boy brainwashed! The word is injectable and orals or nothing. This isn't some kind of standard rule. You can use an oral by itself or stacked with another oral, and have a good cycle without much harm done to your body, if you have a brain and know what the hell you're doing. Take dosage, good stacking combos, and duration into consideration and you'll be fine. I've done oral only cycles and oral/injectable cycles and they both work fine. Orals provide some benefits that injectables don't, this is why most bodybuilders always include an oral in their cycle. It has something to do with the direct effect on the liver during the first pass. My first cycle was Dianabol by itself and I gained 25lbs and kept 18 of the 25 three months later. My bench press shot up 60 more pounds over my previous max. Oral only...no good, I think not!
PS - Keep in mind that lot's of people on this site, simply repeat what some other elite idiots say, without any personal experience from themselves. I back up what I say with real personal experiences, not by what everyone else is saying. Never follow the crowd! Make your own decisions!
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Its not about injectable or nothing its about taking care of yourself so you can have a long and effective lifting carreer. Not everyone is a flash in the pan, fuck the sides I need weight now kind of guy that you are. Great, you gained 25lbs, the simple fact that putting on that much weight in a short anount of time can bring with it negative sides all its own. Additionally with out some background on your past lifting/diet etc 25lbs doesnt mean shit. I can grab any schmuck off the street and pack 25lbs on them with a some good training, proper protien intake and prolly 5mg dbol a day. There is more to safetly than your personal, likely unbloodtested experience, so you final weight gain doesnt mean shit from a safety standpoint unless your willing to cough up some pre, during and post cycle blood results showing just how harmless you claim it is.Nutrient-Nut said:
On a side note before reading between the lines, which you seem to so oftenly do, did it ever occure to you my statement was a little deeper than simply stating "dont do only orals"? The fact of the matter he is asking a question that, in mind mind, you should know the intent of my post was to get him to study up a bit more as much as anything.
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WARBIRDWS6
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Nutrient-Nut said:I disagree! If someone can't use injectables for some reason, then orals only is an alternative that can be done with good results and minimal harm done to the body. You must research the orals in depth and understand that some shouldn't be stacked with others. If you're looking for size, look into a Dianabol/Anavar stack. If you're wanting to do more of a cutting cycle, try Winstrol/Anavar stack. These are both good combinations and wouldn't be that stressful to the liver if only ran for a total of 6 weeks.
NN
PS - You probably already know, but if not, don't stack Anadrol with Dianabol. They both pretty much do the same thing and it would be a waste to stack these two together. Also, this stack would be too much stress to the liver. Not a good combo.
agreed. and agreed on the brainwashed hordes of EF members. IP sucks, everything gives you gyno, and don't use orals. to name a few. lol. its funny sometimes bro. just don't let them assimilate you. stick to your guns, and don't let 100 guys think they are right because there are 5 of us who disagree (just a for instance on the actual #'s
) although this is elitefitness...you will be assimilated...resistance is FUTILE! 
Nutrient-Nut
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Zyglamail said:
Zygi boy, if you could read a little better, then you would see that in my post, I quoted swoldier, not you! My comments are about his statement of doing injectables & orals together or nothing. Go back up there and re-read it and hopefully you'll understand. If you can't understand, I'm sorry.
My point was that it is OK to do a cycle without injectables. Oral only cycles work and they're not that hard on the liver if you know what you're doing. I think that it is best to use 1 injectable and 1 oral, but some people for whatever the reason is, don't want to inject, and that doesn't mean that they can't use steroids safely with minimal sides. You can't tell me that doing a cycle of Deca and D-bol is safer than doing D-bol alone. Only an idiot would think this way!
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Oral only cycles have their merit. My first cycle was naposim 15mg ed/ with 10mg nolva ed. Gained 20 pounds and only lost a few post.
I read just fine and even though you quoted him, I basically told him to wait as well so your comments I am sure were as much directed at me even though you quoted him.Nutrient-Nut said:
One again gaining 28 lbs on a first cycle doesnt mean shit cause most bro's first cycle is also when they are new to the game and gaining 28lbs is a peice of cake when new to lifting. Now, if you tell me you had been diligently lifting with a great routine and a great diet for 5 years prior to that cycle and still gained 28lbs I would be more inclined to listen.WARBIRDWS6[/i] [B]agreed. and agreed on the brainwashed hordes of EF members. IP sucks said:
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Zyglamail said:
also i have trained and supplemented naturally (or quasi-naturally) for about 15 years....going anywhere from 135 lbs to 205 lbs on a short small frame. so i guess i am an idiot because i "took my first poke" a few weeks ago. knowledge and experience mean nothing here i assume
. that shows your ignorance. many people have benefited from my opinion and experience. so one know-it-all such as yourself does put a damper on things....but i choose to think of all the people who have given me karma or thanked me via PM for helping them out on various subjects. just because my opinion is different than yours....does not mean i am bucking the system as you put it. i am expressing my opinion. again, you show your ignorance and self importance. but i have grown accustomed to that.
WB, you have a very thin skin and seem to take these things very personally when its not meant to be that way. I clearly stated above its nothing personal and I never called you an idiot. You are reading between the lines. Perhaps this go round it is you who needs to step back and take a vacation. I dont have a problem with people disagreeing, but its how you do it. In the post above you basically laid out a blanket insult covering many people on the board. In your other gripe post you speak of respect and seem to think you deserve it yet show none to anyone else.
Once again bringing the fact you get a little karma for your arrogance into the picture as if it means something and since you put so much faith in the fact people support your gripes I may as well let you know that every time I argue with you like this I also get a slew of positive karma for the way I handle the situation.
In the end, please just relax a little I am not out to get you if I was I would have ignored your request for help last week with your imposter. As I have said before I dont have a problem with your or the fact you disagree but often times the way you disagree is nothing short of rude and after a while it almost seems like that is how you like to be treated yourself since that is how you so frequently treat others.
Once again bringing the fact you get a little karma for your arrogance into the picture as if it means something and since you put so much faith in the fact people support your gripes I may as well let you know that every time I argue with you like this I also get a slew of positive karma for the way I handle the situation.
In the end, please just relax a little I am not out to get you if I was I would have ignored your request for help last week with your imposter. As I have said before I dont have a problem with your or the fact you disagree but often times the way you disagree is nothing short of rude and after a while it almost seems like that is how you like to be treated yourself since that is how you so frequently treat others.
