Help with first cycle

[MichaelMacGyver]

Okay I've put this together, let me know what you think and if I'm on the right track. This is my proposed first cycle.
5'9" 180 lbs. Trained for 3 years. approx 12% bf age 34.

10 week cycle
250mg sust/week 1-10
30mg Dbol/week 1-4 and 9-10
200mg Deca/week 5-10
20mg nolva/week 1-10
Do I need something other than Nolva? Like PRoviron?

PCT
20mg nolva days 1-14
300mg clomid days 1-4
100mg clomid days 5-11
50mg clomid days 12-17
Also will start back on creatine day 1 of pct

Does this make sense? And did I cover all the bases?
K !! for the help

 

[Madcow2]

I'll just throw in that:

deca in weeks 5-10 is a bad idea. Long ester takes way too long to kick in and you won't see any benefits until week 7-8 at the earliest.

I don't know why you have dbol at weeks 9-10. It's not like you can finish and go immediately to PCT. Sust also uses a decanoate ester and you'll have that for a few weeks running through you (along with the deca under the current plan).

I'm not a fan of using Sust for weekly injections. A standard cyp/enanthate ester is a better choice for most people. There is a lot of bullshit in this thread but read it through and you will find out why this is the case and why a lot of people should not be answering questions on this board or at least hedging their bullshit with 'IMO' or some such so that others don't take stuff as fact: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366154

I'm sure someone else will come along and address a few of the others but these are things that are wrong and in the case of Sust I just got done writing it the other day so it's an easy link.

 

[Apexx]

I personally don't like the idea of running three different compounds for a 1st cycle. Especially using test and deca. If problems do arise, such as gyno, you won't know which one caused it. I'd drop the deca and bump up the test to 500mg/wk. You're gonna get different opinions about the test dose for a 1st cycle, but I know a lot of guys who weren't very satisfied with only 250mg/wk of test their first time out. I guess you'll just have to use your own judgement on that one.

If you do still run the deca, make sure you have some dostinex on hand incase gyno appears. Your running a fairly low dose, so it may not happen, but better safe than sorry. I'd also get some nolv for the test.....just in case.

 

[black sheep]

You should make decent gains on this cycle, being your first.

I would drop the D-Bol at the end, you just want it to jump start your cycle.

You need to run the deca all 10 weeks, 6 weeks of deca is way to short. If you are going to run a Nandrolone for 6 weeks you need to get NPP not deca. Then you should inject it EOD.

I would keep the Nolva on hand for gyno, but not run it. At those dosages you should not have Estrogen problems.

I would not run the Clomid for 300mgs for more than the first day. Go to the PCT Forum and read the recovery sticky. There is a bulletproof PCT regimine

 

[black sheep]

I would not spend the money on Dostinex at that dosage. That is just me, but at that dosage I would not think you would have any problems.

I agree that this may be too many compounds for a first cycle. You will not know which compound really gave you the best results. I would run Sust at 500mg/week doing 2 weekly injections and D-bol at 20mg ed for the first 4 weeks for a first cycle.

 

[MichaelMacGyver]

Thanks for the input. After thinking about it, I will drop the dbol at the end and keep it to weeks 1-4.
The Deca or Sust I will run for all 10 wks.
I do hear what you are saying about too many compounds for first time. SO gonna think some more. and Maybe up the Sust.
Guess I'll shorten up the heavy dose of Clomid too.

Thanks for helping out.