help with a speeding ticket

[flexed1]

I was going west the cop fucker east and he cuts across theb grass and pulls me over saying I was going 83 but that was my accused speed and he did not have the radar portion filled out. the court is 1 hour away and the fine 133.00 any comments on cops using radar (still don't think he did) going the other way and if its accurate?

 

[frorider6]

Might as well just pay the ticket. Everything else will be a pain in the ass and $133 isn't too bad.

 

[Warik]

Were you actually going that fast? If you weren't then you can go ahead and argue about the accuracy of the radar since, if you really weren't going that fast, it was obviously inaccurate. Besides, how does the cop expect anyone to believe that he was going 60-70mph, operated a radar on a car allegedly doing 83mph in the opposite direction while managing to control his car and determine which car was the offender, and then SOMEHOW stopping, turning around, and catching the offending car which, in the amount of time it took for him to stop, turn around, and accelerate, would be a good mile at least away.

I'm not a lawyer, but that cop sounds full of shit.

-Warik

 

[Crazier]

If he says he used his radar... may as well pay the ticket. Although Warik does a good job in making the cop's action seem like it could only be done by a superhero... I doubt the judge will agree, as this is a part of a cop's job that they do on a regular basis. I wouldn't waste the 2 hours of driving + court time to have a judge tell you that 'radar doesn't lie.'
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[flexed1]

thanks, its my new car and I may have been speeding as I had just filled with gas and was gunning it. I was the only one on the freeway or this portion at the time. my second one in 5 months though the alst won't show up as i took class for it. fucking mercedes goes way to fast. my last ticket was in my explorer and when i was speeding i knew it.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Cops Blow.

 

[danielson]

any physics guys know if the radar is even accurate if the measuring car is driving towards the target? i wouldnt have thought it was

 

[flexed1]

yea how about the physics involved?

 

[danielson]

i wouldnt have thought it was accurate as the waves would get a bit of a doppler going on.....wheres fonz when you need him eh? or BPB

 

[Warik]

Well it has to do with redshift/blueshift. The way I understood it in my astronomy class was that some kind of wave is beamed at you and then reflected back to the radar, if its frequency is shifted in one direction (the direction of the visible blue on the electromagnetic scale) it means the object is coming towards you, and vice-versa for the red side. Using a simple equation, which I cannot remember at all, you can easily determine the speed of the approaching body.

Unfortunately, I think the cop would have to be travelling fast enough to outrun one of the Enterprise's shuttles to cause the reading to come out inaccurate. This is cosmic shit we're talking about being used on a planet with infinitesimal speeds. If he WAS using the radar and it WAS on your car, it's accurate.

Your only defense that I'd see, being the non-lawyer I am, is "what he did to catch me is humanly impossible."

-Warik

 

[The Ranger]

This little trick has gotten me out of two tickets....

1. Once he pulls you over, he'll inform you that you we're speeding.

2. Inform the officer that you don't think you we're speeding, perhaps your speedometer is off.

3. He'll ask if you've had it calibrated...your reply is ...no!

4. Accept the ticket.....then wait a week.

5. Go to auto parts store and order new speedometer cable(around 30$)

6. Keep reciepts, then schedule a calibration for a day or two after your court date.

7. Once you go to court, inform the judge you told the officer that your speedometer must be off, and in fact it broke 2 days later....then show him the reciept for the new cable, and the appointment to get the speedometer calibrated.

8. The judge will reduce it to defective equipment, small fine, plus court costs, and it is not a moving violation.

9. Take the speedometer cable back, with reciept, then get a full refund....

10. Cancel speedometer calibration test.

Works like a charm Bro.....

Ranger

 

[flexed1]

i just realized he put the year of my car wrong. don't tickets have to be filled out exact?

 

[starfish]

I know someone I can ask about the radar in the opposite direction but it will be a few days..

 

[saint808]

This little trick has gotten me out of two tickets....

1. Once he pulls you over, he'll inform you that you we're speeding.

2. Inform the officer that you don't think you we're speeding, perhaps your speedometer is off.

3. He'll ask if you've had it calibrated...your reply is ...no!

4. Accept the ticket.....then wait a week.

5. Go to auto parts store and order new speedometer cable(around 30$)

6. Keep reciepts, then schedule a calibration for a day or two after your court date.

7. Once you go to court, inform the judge you told the officer that your speedometer must be off, and in fact it broke 2 days later....then show him the reciept for the new cable, and the appointment to get the speedometer calibrated.

8. The judge will reduce it to defective equipment, small fine, plus court costs, and it is not a moving violation.

9. Take the speedometer cable back, with reciept, then get a full refund....

10. Cancel speedometer calibration test.

Works like a charm Bro.....

Ranger

or if you know an auto mechanic that works someplace you can have them fill out a form saying that as well.

 

[Lostdog]

In IllInois it is within your rights to see the radar when being acused of speeding.....If cop doesnt have it clocked see ya .. I would say unless you have a shitty driving record ...show up and fight it ....sometimes the cop doesnt show and case is dropped

 

[theoak01]

it may be thrown out on that right there,call the court house and find out

and if you still have to pay it atleast do this to save ur insurance
pay by check but overpay by a buck or two

now they have to send you a check back for what you overpaid

but at this time rip that check up and until it is cashed the case is not closed and your insurance company will never find out

done and done

 

[gymtime]

I just hope the rumors I hear about what goes on in prison are exaggerated.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I have gotten out of two speeding tickets recently...

I just showed the officer my go-go boots and said that I was a struggling single mother of four (I drive a minivan complete with rubber french fries and car seats.) who is forced to dance because the ex doesn't want to pay child support....

I was told to: slow down and buy the cop a drink when they come to see me work! hehehehehee

If that doesn't work then show them your tits!

HAHHAOheoahoehoawehoaheohaohahahahhahaaaa

 

[gymtime]

I have gotten out of two speeding tickets recently...

I just showed the officer my go-go boots and said that I was a struggling single mother of four (I drive a minivan complete with rubber french fries and car seats.) who is forced to dance because the ex doesn't want to pay child support....

......If that doesn't work then show them your tits!

F1 - I hope you're writing this down. This could work for you. I'd hate to see you as Contestant #3 in the Sweetheart of the Cell Block pageant.

 

[big4life]

In most states the policeman has to be certified in the use of radar. If he was a state trooper he more than likely is, but if he is a county or city police, he might not be. You might want to check into that angle.

 

[flexed1]

gymtime you still are a jealous bitch. the certified radar is blank ( its says radar cal ) and its empty. all it says is alleged speed 83. maybe thats my out so i will call the court house in the morning.

 

[kronk]

i just realized he put the year of my car wrong. don't tickets have to be filled out exact?

Yes you are correct. A speeding ticket is also a summons. It is a legal document. If a police officer spells your name wrong or doesnt have your ssn# right, often the cases are dismissed.

If it were me, I would go to court and plead not gulity. I would also have my attorney (or yourself) tell the court the the summons/ticket is not properly filled out and even neglects to show the speed that you were going. That item right there will get the case dismissed.

Some cases that the tickets are not filled out correctly still go on, however, in any case I have ever seen that a ticket such as yours with NO SPEED written down, (plus he put the incorrect year of your vehicle down), gets thrown out.

Look into and check the new. I have a law background and know what I am talking about. However, do the reasearch. If you have any type of attorney (campus etc.) that you can go to, do so. Otherwise, please not-guilty. Also, if he (the cop) doesnt show up for court, the case will be dismissed as well. Personally, I think you have at least a 80% chance of winning in you fight it.

 

[BuggyWhips]

My friend got pulled over by a cop going the other way on a main street in our town. So I guess its accurate. He had the correct speed...75 in a 35.....Anyways he got a laywer and got out of the ticket..Insurance in NJ is expensive so we have to fight these things...I have a radar detector now...I just slow down when it beeps.

 

[poon daddy]

Boys and girls, I just saw this thread and am here to assist ya.
1-Yes the Radar will work while going in the other direction.
2-As far as the ticket being filled out etc, That info missing more then likely will not get you out of the violation. Tickets dont have to be filled out 100% exact, although they should, but those items missing are not critical enough to the document integrity.
3- We get O.T to show up at court. So why would we not go? EASY MONEY.
4-In most states the radar does not have to be shown to the motorist. Safety isssue in bringing people back to your patrol vehicle.
5-Police officer cert of radar usage. Yes we do have to be certified, this is something the judge will ask the officer in court.
6-Radar calibration, It has to be done at the start and end of your shift. How its done? Trun the radar on/ turn the radr off, Done.
There I tried to answer most of em.
Any more questions before I go and write some tickets tonight?

 

[Code]

Most cars are outfitted with a system called VasCar, side (and sometimes grill) mounted radar guns.

Just pay it.

 

[HappyScrappy]

if you remind me when I'm at work tomorrow - I have a zip file of a thing that has pages and pages of how to get out of a ticket.

remind me after 10am my time and I will email it to you.

 

[flexed1]

poon, he did not say radar he just said i was doing 83. the ticket does not state radar cal only says alleged speed. personally i really don't know if i was speedinga s the car is new. i will call in the ma and ask these questions than deceide. as far as ot he most likely will think with me being an hour away i won't show but we will see. sorry by the way cops don't really suck just speeding tickets.

 

[Bigsatan13]

Don't just pay it! You can go to court and speak to the prosecutor and have it reduced to a non-points ticket. You will pay the same fine but you will get less or even no points on your license. Points can add up fast on a bad day so keep the license clean. It's worth the trip.

 

[poon daddy]

Flexed, here would be my thought process on showing up.
When I see I have a court notice and it shows the person lives a ways away I figure 1 of 2 things. I will be in and out in 5 mins OR he is some kind of Nut and is willing to show up in court because he read something on the net about how to beat a ticket.
You can spot a "Internet fighter" a mile away. He has a folder full of pics,graphs,notes,drawings etc. He starts reading froma sheet of "questions to ask in court". Its great, only to have the judge say" Pay at the window".
Now I will advise your best bet to get out of this.
Go to court, ask for a condiational dismissal for 10 months. this means you pay the fine but will not receive the points. As long as you have a pretty good driving record the court more then likely will go for it. Why you ask, well they get their cash, and wil waive the points to make you happy. Thats all everyone cares about in court nowadays anyway.
Any more help let me know. I am here for my elite bros...

 

[poon daddy]

Flexed I forgot to tell ya. In traffic court my Win loss record is appx
5,000 and 2.................
Its all about the cash for them

 

[gymtime]

It's speeders' prison for you F1, get used to it. Wear something drab and unflattering.

 

[sandiegomike]

Yes radar guns are accurate from any direction, moving or not moving. The way it works is radar waves are sent out of the gun at the speed of sound I believe (approx 740 miles per hour, depending on atmosperic conditions), so movement of the gun does not interfere with the radar waves. Your car then hits these waves and deflects the waves. The radar gun then some how is able to read these deflections and based on them is able to calculate the speed you are going. So again, it is not based on the guns movement, only on the deflection of radar waves when your vehicle hits them.

What can you do?

You do have the right to demand to see the radar speed reading if you get pulled over, in case of future events. Probably won't help much though, kind of like hanging yourself. Unless you get lucky and he really didn't tag you.

You can definitely fight the speed you are getting fined for and charged with if he did not write it on the ticket, this is your best approach. They really should only be allowed to charge you with the smallest speeding speed and fine possible if he did not write your speed in the ticket.

Other than that, take it up the tail pipe. I know, I have been tagged 32 times.

Mike

 

[poon daddy]

Sandie, In most states the driver does not have the right to see the radar. Safety issue for the Officer, and God forbid if his Ass gets wacked by a passing car as he comes/goes from my car. It would be sue city....
In Michigan we have a little law called, Violation of basic speed laws. What this means is that I dont need a Radar,laser,pace to write the violation. All I need is my expert opinion as an officer.
Observe you were travelling inexcess of posted speed limits.

Granted the points are not the same as they would be with a Radar,laser etc.

 

[Jaws3D]

Unfortunatley for you an officer, doesn't have to rely on radar, the radar reading is only of evidence value against the violater. A PO can give a ticket for speeding even if he/she doesn't use radar based on the visual estimation of speed. As far as tickets being filled out is properly, only the most pertinent facts must be filled out ie: name of violater, date, time and juridiction, and sig or affidavit of service by PO. However this is canadian, Rules in the US may be different.

 

[thebabydoc]

This little trick has gotten me out of two tickets....

1. Once he pulls you over, he'll inform you that you we're speeding.

2. Inform the officer that you don't think you we're speeding, perhaps your speedometer is off.

3. He'll ask if you've had it calibrated...your reply is ...no!

4. Accept the ticket.....then wait a week.

5. Go to auto parts store and order new speedometer cable(around 30$)

6. Keep reciepts, then schedule a calibration for a day or two after your court date.

7. Once you go to court, inform the judge you told the officer that your speedometer must be off, and in fact it broke 2 days later....then show him the reciept for the new cable, and the appointment to get the speedometer calibrated.

8. The judge will reduce it to defective equipment, small fine, plus court costs, and it is not a moving violation.

9. Take the speedometer cable back, with reciept, then get a full refund....

10. Cancel speedometer calibration test.

Works like a charm Bro.....

Ranger

didn't work for me in Jersey a few years back. Judge said that defective equipment dosen't excuse the violation.

A better bet is to subpoena the radar used to see if has been calibrated as required and to see if the officer's radar certification is current; these are the 2 things that can get you out of one of these tickets. Also if you show up and the cop dosen't then the ticket is supposed to be thrown out, but this seldom happens, because even if it does, the Judge inevitably says "fuck you" and reschedules the hearing, which is in violation of your rights as they were explained to me. Just remember that traffic court is nothing but a way to generate revenue for the cops and the state and who do you think pays the Judge's salaries? Talk about the fox guarding the chicken coop!

The problem isn't the $133; it's the points and the subsequent insurance hike. This is why you always make sure you have an out of state driver's license and pay the ticket promptly.
I have also read that if you send a check for MORE than the ticket (say $133.67) they will turn around and cut you a check for the .67 cents. The file won't be closed until you cash that check...throw it out when you get it, the ticket and points never get posted.

 

[JustinM]

ABOUT THE PHYSICS OF IT, YES THEY ARE ACCURATE FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS..IT IS CALLED THE DOPLAR EFFECT I THINK...IT WORKS DIFFERENTLY WHEN YOU ARE TRAVELING THE SAME WAY AS IT DOES WHEN YOU ARE TRAVELING OPPOSITE, I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST PAY IT, YOU WILL NOT WIN THE CASE...ALSO YOU DONT REALIZE HOW FAST YOU ARE DRIVING IN A MERCEDES...

PEACE