help - Winny bulk or Winny cut?

[VTAT]

Basically my question is: Is a winny cut cycle (eg. stacked with primo or something) more effective than, let's say a clen cycle. Assuming diet and cardio are in place in any case.

FYI - I am not a competitor, but I am usually on a bulking cycle/period or a cutting cycle/period. My first cycle was about 8 years ago, and other than one deca only cycle (which was not drastic enough for me for bulking) I always have gone on bulking cycles, and use non-anabolics for the cutting period.

So is it better to use winny as part of a bulk cycle, and then stick to my usual cut program. Or would a "winny-cut" cycle be more effective? If so, please include some of the better winny cut cycles (with any drugs).

Im 34, 6'2" and 235 (10% bf). I will go on my next cut cycle after I add on about 20 lbs.

Thanks!

 

[decem]

why not both....size and cuts

why not a test/deca cycle with dbol the first 4 weeks and winny the last 6 weeks and gain good lean mass.

 

[VTAT]

That is an option - but I am more interested in finding out, using your example, if I would be better off using winny as part of a bulk cycle for the entire 10 weeks, and then cutting with something else. In other words, does a winny cut cycle offer more than a winny bulk cycle followed by a clen/T3/ECA cut cycle? If it does not, I will just stick to my old program and bulk with the winny.

 

[decem]

sorry bro... can't help ya there. but i'll bump for ya.

 

[Zyglamail]

When you say:

followed by a clen/T3/ECA cut cycle?

do you plan on doing that while not on gear? T3 when not on gear will eat a bunch of muscle. If you want to use it, I would incorporate it into the cutting cycle itself. Im currently using fina/winny/T3 and will toss some clen in there too.

 

[VTAT]

I suppose I should have added that I bridge with 200mg of test every 10 days, starting about 3 weeks after I end a cycle. I could use the winny instead - is that winny/fina/T3 cycle pretty awesome (as compared to a clen/ECA/T3 cycle)? That is what I want to know - If someone said that they got awesome results from your cut cycle, then I will try it.

 

[Zyglamail]

T3/eca/clen is not gear so not really a cycle (in my eyes). Theya re all coumpound used for fat loss primarily. Everyone responds a little differently to T3, but many only do it when on some decent dosses of anabolics. Where you planning taking the test during the T3 use? If not, like I mentioned, dont think of taking T3 without any gear or you will lose some mass, maybe a lot. Im only 10 days into my cycle and still ramping up the T3, but so far I am pleased as hell. Fina is some good shit.....hehe, just as TxLonghorn . Many have done a cycle similar to mine and reported lots of fat loss and solid musle gains. Others find T3 too catabolic even with the fina/winny. Overall however, the results I have seen result in great progress. Many report solid gains of around 17lbs lean muscle and a significant loss in bf(like around 5-6%) all at the same time.

 

[VTAT]

Well, that does sound pretty damm awesome - I'll be saving the winny for the cut cycle. Thanks for the info.

btw - yes, I bridge with the test during the T3 cycle. That was based on info I got the first time I tried T3, and did an inquiry just like this one. The T3 profile stated the same thing you said - T3 will eat up your muscle mass unless used with an anabolic. I don't like to make those kinds of mistakes when experimenting. There are no profiles comparing the effectiveness of winny on a cut cycle vs. clen/eca/T3. But from what you stated, winny-cut is unquestionably superior. I have about 35 amps, so I guess I'll go EOD for 10 weeks . . .

 

[Digital Ronin]

I'm with Zyg... Fina/Winny and if you really want to throw some Eq in with it... Run the Winny for 8-10 wks and the fina for the last 6 wks... I'd also recommend the Fina and Winny every day... Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[CYCLEON]

Both - but if ur going to, keep it for AS in the cutting cycle - u gotta have some or T3s gonna take some muscle off

 

[Zyglamail]

Everyone responds a bit different to everything. No matter how ya cut it though winny can add good hard muscle, how much depends on your body. SOme gain only a couple pounds and just get harder. Some make very good gains and get harder, it all depends. Fina is the bomb for lean hard muscle, much more potent than winny, but can have progesterone sides which is why I am using winny with it(not that winny is gonna gurantee there are no probs), but it will help. The two together appear to be an awesome combination.