HELP!! WHAT TO DO if your at the end of the cycle...BUT need more SIZE?

[M56M]

My cousin started a cycle of Sustenon/EQ/winny, basically the same cycle i did 2 years ago. NOW he has finished his sust and is on EQ/winny(just starting) now, he has about 8 weeks.

He is at 210lbs. He feels that he wants to put a little more size on.

Now he wanted to use more sust, BUT i told him not too, and just to up his food intake and maybe cut back a bit on cardio. But he is worried about sacrificing his definition and hard appearance.

OR if he wants to add size he should just added Fina to the last 8 weeks.

What do you guys think would be best for him to put on size in the next few weeks and still maintain a hard appearance?


M56M

 

[Stillgoing]

First, please clarify cycle. How long did he do the test? Did he do it alone? What dosage? What are the dosages on the others? My answer will depend on these items, but, I can tell you already its unlikely I would recommend adding in fina. You should run the test all the way through the cycle.

 

[M56M]

I should know better than to leave that info out....sorry.

Well the MORON fuck up his cycle a bit.

He began to run his sust EOD which worked great for him becuase he got the initial hit from the prop.

So he only did it for 4 weeks of the sust. and started getting some nise size, at the fear of getting TOO big, the moron stopped the sust and started his EQ.

He did:

Nile - Sust 250mg/EOD (Alone, then added in the EQ)
QV - EQ 400mg/every 5 days
Zams - winny 50mg/ED


Why not add in the fina?

M56M

 

[lawnsaver]

If you are looking for more size, but want to get your HTPA restarted I recomend taking a combonation of Slin/creatine/glutamine/dextrose/Whey protien Isolate this combo taken post work out will do wonders. I have done this multiple times and my muscles have filled out and always put a few lbs on!

 

[Stillgoing]

Re: I should know better than to leave that info out....sorry.

Well the MORON fuck up his cycle a bit.

He began to run his sust EOD which worked great for him becuase he got the initial hit from the prop.

So he only did it for 4 weeks of the sust. and started getting some nise size, at the fear of getting TOO big, the moron stopped the sust and started his EQ.

He did:

Nile - Sust 250mg/EOD (Alone, then added in the EQ)
QV - EQ 400mg/every 5 days
Zams - winny 50mg/ED


Why not add in the fina?

M56M

Personal preference. I would go back on sust & run sust/EQ/winny for the remainder of the cycle. Adding in fina late in a cycle is IMO a recipe for a difficult recovery. The sust will do a better job of maintaining & adding size at this point.....

 

[Lift Chief]

And tell him to eat... You have to sacrafice a little bit of definition if you want to maximize your size gains... you can lose the fat after the cycle.

 

[M56M]

Re: Re: I should know better than to leave that info out....sorry.

He really fucked up his cycle!
He should have been hitting the Eq at the same time as the Sust!

Maybe take some time off and save it for the next cycle! Also, maybe he should do a little more research before touching the gear again!

Well i explained to him what should be done, and assumed that he took what i said, and did it. Then i didn't talk to him for a bit and the MORON thought he would go about things his own fucking way.

Stillgoing,

If most guys on this site do fina towards the end of their cycles, why would you think it would hurt his HPTA that much more. I mean when its shut off its shut off, right? And considering he only did 4 weeks of sust, he hasn't been on that long.

So again i don't see why fina would be a problem??? It would just be ending you cycle with another cutting agent.

Thank you for the help i do appreciate it tremendously, and soo will my cousin's stupid ass.

M56M




M56M

 

[naturally anabolic]

go back on the test...prop or suspension.

 

[Stillgoing]

Re: Re: Re: I should know better than to leave that info out....sorry.

Well i explained to him what should be done, and assumed that he took what i said, and did it. Then i didn't talk to him for a bit and the MORON thought he would go about things his own fucking way.

Stillgoing,

If most guys on this site do fina towards the end of their cycles, why would you think it would hurt his HPTA that much more. I mean when its shut off its shut off, right? And considering he only did 4 weeks of sust, he hasn't been on that long.

So again i don't see why fina would be a problem??? It would just be ending you cycle with another cutting agent.

Thank you for the help i do appreciate it tremendously, and soo will my cousin's stupid ass.

M56M




M56M

1- could he do this (add fina)? Absolutely. In fact, many on this board might recommend it. Thats why I prefaced with "personal preference". But your post started out with your cousin wanting to add additional size. It is due to that that I recommend test with EQ/winny. Again, for me, fina cuts me up. I don't gain much, if any, weight on it. I sweat so friggin much on it, its amazing. Doing fina with EQ & winny would be a great cutting cycle. To add additional raw size, for me, I would do test/eq/winny.

2- Its pretty much consensus on here that fina shuts you down hard. Not everyone, but, most. Therefore, while certainly some bros do add it to the end of the cycle, many like me who are concerned about post-c recovery do it upfront to have more time off of it when you come off and hit post-c.

So, in conclusion, if he is 4wks into a cycle and starting up on EQ/winny now, you can either add back the sust, or, add in some fina. Either is fine, but, IMO you will have a better shot at weight gains with the sust. Hope this helps....

 

[M56M]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I should know better than to leave that info out....sorry.

1- could he do this (add fina)? Absolutely. In fact, many on this board might recommend it. Thats why I prefaced with "personal preference". But your post started out with your cousin wanting to add additional size. It is due to that that I recommend test with EQ/winny. Again, for me, fina cuts me up. I don't gain much, if any, weight on it. I sweat so friggin much on it, its amazing. Doing fina with EQ & winny would be a great cutting cycle. To add additional raw size, for me, I would do test/eq/winny.

2- Its pretty much consensus on here that fina shuts you down hard. Not everyone, but, most. Therefore, while certainly some bros do add it to the end of the cycle, many like me who are concerned about post-c recovery do it upfront to have more time off of it when you come off and hit post-c.

So, in conclusion, if he is 4wks into a cycle and starting up on EQ/winny now, you can either add back the sust, or, add in some fina. Either is fine, but, IMO you will have a better shot at weight gains with the sust. Hope this helps....

Thank you very much Stillgoing that was VERY WELL PUT. I will tell him to add the test. And i am going to MAKE him get on the damn message boards, so i don't have to deal with the consequences of his decisions. Next time he will know why not to cut his test early.

Thanks guys.

M56M