Help me build this cycle

[njmuscleguy]

Hey folks... sorry for yet another one of those "help me put this cycle together" threads.... I'm taking the plunge with EQ and my first cycle that's longer than 10 weeks... this will be a non-bulking cycle, though not necessarily a cutter... just looking to make some steady gains and not get get all bloated... if I can cut-up and look vascular towards the end of the cycle, great! Looking to start this in a few months, since I'm almost done with my winter bulk cycle (dbol + test enth + npp).. here is what I'm thinking

Wks 1-4 test prop (not sure of dosage - any thoughts?)
Wks 1-16 EQ 600mgs / wk
Wks 1-16 Test enth 750mg / wk
Wks 16-18 Test prop (again, not sure of dosage)

I've never done prop & enth at the same time, so I'm not sure how to combine the dosages.

I also want to throw tren ace in there? Where should I put it? I'm thinking at the end of the cycle for 6 weeks. Any thoughts?

Was also considering whether or not to throw in tbol at the start of the cycle, 4 weeks, 80mg ED. Is this overkill?

All suggestions /advice appreciated. Not a novice here, but this type of cycle is new for me.

Thanks guys!

 

[brino]

i like t-bol first off that shit is great, but the cycle im running is eq600/test500 for 1-15 and the last 5 i will run tren a and igf. from the sound of it we want the same outcome, i am very comfy at @10-12%bf and am at 13 right now i think that u might like my cycle.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Thanks bro.... sounds like we're on the same page.... I definitely want to up the test though, 500mg is a bit too low for me... IGF I will save for PCT

 

[njmuscleguy]

Any other thoughts?

 

[msam76]

sorry can't help you, I am female and have no clue how guys run. I'd be telling you to run like 50mg/w LOL.

 

[mr.nitro]

I wouldn't even bother with the prop. I hated the discomfort and didn't think it was worth it. everything else looks good though

 

[brino]

curious how much of a diff can u really tell from 500-750 test?

 

[njmuscleguy]

I wouldn't even bother with the prop. I hated the discomfort and didn't think it was worth it. everything else looks good though

You mean to jump-start the cycle? I've never used prop for that reason, together with enth.... always used an oral... but I see alot of guys running both, so I thought I'd try... I can just as easily drop the prop in the beginning and run tbol instead.

Thanks for your suggestion bro!

 

[njmuscleguy]

curious how much of a diff can u really tell from 500-750 test?

Funny you ask that.... I thought the same thing a while back when I was deciding which dosage was better.... I do notice a different between 500g and 750g and I also do notice a difference between 750g and 1g.... some guys would say "Duh, of course you notice a difference", while others say the lower dosage works just as well so stick with it.... in my current cycle, I started off with 1g test because all I was running was test and dbol... then when the dbol was finished, I decided to throw in some NPP, so I lowered the test dosage to 750mg and I do feel the reduction of test.

 

[thezan]

Prop- 1-4 75mg a day or 150 eod
enanthate -1-16 750mg
Eq 1-15 600 mg
Tren 7-13 50-75mg a day

I think this would be a nice cycle, U could throw in left over prop from 16-18, i dont think you need the tbol with all the other good stuff, just a waste IMO. Hit up a nice heavy PCT. Looking good for the summer.....

 

[ThepoolGuy]

Prop- 1-4 75mg a day or 150 eod
enanthate -1-16 750mg
Eq 1-15 600 mg
Tren 7-13 50-75mg a day

I think this would be a nice cycle, U could throw in left over prop from 16-18, i dont think you need the tbol with all the other good stuff, just a waste IMO. Hit up a nice heavy PCT. Looking good for the summer.....

what he said!!

 

[njmuscleguy]

thanks guys!

 

[njmuscleguy]

For all you guys that jumpstart an enth or cyp cycle with prop, is there a recommended "ratio" to run between the shorter ester and the longer ester?

For example, if I were to run 750mg test enth per week, and wanted to run prop for the first 4 weeks, what dosage would I run? I'd also be running EQ

 

[SpyWizard]

sorry can't help you, I am female and have no clue how guys run. I'd be telling you to run like 50mg/w LOL.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

always the helper..

good one..

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, I've seen some guys say here that they don't like using tren at the end of a (longer) cycle because it shuts you down hard and makes recovery more difficult... good point, though I do see alot of people still running tren at the end of a long EQ & test cycle. So I was toying around with original cycle:

Wks 1-4 test prop 100mg ED
Wks 1-16 EQ 600mgs / wk
Wks 1-18 Test enth 750mg / wk
Wks 13-18 Tren Ace 75mg ED

I was thinking of throwing Tbol somewhere in there.... what if I moved tren to the middle of the cycle and finished off with tbol? Or should I still keep tren at the end to finish off with some nice hard gains, and then maybe throw tbol in the middle?

Any thoughts guys?

 

[todoveritas]

Dude, pardon my humble ignorance, but why on earth are you wanting to run BOTH Test Enth AND prop? Am I missing something? I would shelve the prop, and keep Arimidex/dandelion root on hand for the Test E bloat. If anything, I would add winny (or Var) at 50mg QD.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Dude, pardon my humble ignorance, but why on earth are you wanting to run BOTH Test Enth AND prop? Am I missing something? I would shelve the prop, and keep Arimidex/dandelion root on hand for the Test E bloat. If anything, I would add winny (or Var) at 50mg QD.

It's very common practice... the prop serves as a "kick-start" to the cycle, since it usually takes up to 5-6 weeks to "feel" the enth working.... whereas prop I usually feel by the 2nd week or so... I could just as easily sub in an oral such as tbol or dbol to do the same thing.

As for adex... I've used it before, did nothing for me... I'm a big fan of aromasin.

 

[todoveritas]

It's very common practice... the prop serves as a "kick-start" to the cycle, since it usually takes up to 5-6 weeks to "feel" the enth working.... whereas prop I usually feel by the 2nd week or so... I could just as easily sub in an oral such as tbol or dbol to do the same thing.

As for adex... I've used it before, did nothing for me... I'm a big fan of aromasin.

I gotcha. Prop just burns too damn much for my taste and I flat won't use it except for a show. Makes sense, though. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[lifthard2005]

Hey folks... sorry for yet another one of those "help me put this cycle together" threads.... I'm taking the plunge with EQ and my first cycle that's longer than 10 weeks... this will be a non-bulking cycle, though not necessarily a cutter... just looking to make some steady gains and not get get all bloated... if I can cut-up and look vascular towards the end of the cycle, great! Looking to start this in a few months, since I'm almost done with my winter bulk cycle (dbol + test enth + npp).. here is what I'm thinking

Wks 1-4 test prop (not sure of dosage - any thoughts?)
Wks 1-16 EQ 600mgs / wk
Wks 1-16 Test enth 750mg / wk
Wks 16-18 Test prop (again, not sure of dosage)

I've never done prop & enth at the same time, so I'm not sure how to combine the dosages.

I also want to throw tren ace in there? Where should I put it? I'm thinking at the end of the cycle for 6 weeks. Any thoughts?

Was also considering whether or not to throw in tbol at the start of the cycle, 4 weeks, 80mg ED. Is this overkill?

All suggestions /advice appreciated. Not a novice here, but this type of cycle is new for me.

Thanks guys!

bro, check this out:

wk 1-14 Test E @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 Eq @ 600mg/wk
wk 1-5 Tbol @ 80mg ed
wk 9-16 Var @ 100mg ed

 

[big greg 82]

Wks 1-4 test prop 75-100mg ed or eod
Wks 1-16 EQ 600mgs / wk
Wks 1-16 Test enth 750mg / wk
Wks 8-16 tren ace 75mg ed or eod


most will say ed for stable blood levels but you can do it eod

 

[big greg 82]

i would do the tren in the begining tho not end my fault.

 

[njmuscleguy]

bro, check this out:

wk 1-14 Test E @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 Eq @ 600mg/wk
wk 1-5 Tbol @ 80mg ed
wk 9-16 Var @ 100mg ed

never ran var before... why would you run it 2 weeks longer than test at the end?

I see you rather tbol as the kickstart over prop. I have to say, I've run up to 60mg tbol before.... the effects were mild... I'd consider running it again, at 80mg, to see if that gives better results.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Guys, need some more opinions... tren ace at the beginning of the cycle? Or at the end? If at the beginning, should I still run prop even though I'll be running enth throughout?

Initially was thinking:

Wks 1-4 test prop 100mg ED
Wks 1-16 EQ 600mgs / wk
Wks 1-18 Test enth 750mg / wk
Wks 13-18 Tren Ace 75mg ED

I was recently thinking:

Wks 1-6 Tren Ace 75mg ED
Wks 1-18 Test Enth 750mg / wk
Wks 1-16 EQ 600mg / wk
- Was considering running an oral at the end while waiting for esters to clear.
- Trying to decide if I'd need prop at the beginning to kickstart?

Any thoughts? Thanks!

 

[mojeas95]

never used prop and enth at the same tme...but i can tell you that if its your first time running eq your going to love it...I just hit week 8 of test e 500wk 1-12 and eq 400mg wk 1-10 and deca 30mg wk 1-10 and im loving life right now...never used deca and eq together, but i must say its turning me into one ripped as massive monster...already gained 12 solid lbs with very little water wieght...will be throwing winny in at week 10-14 for a finisher, so i cant wait for that either..looks like a solid cycle tho, make sure u run the eq for at least 10 weeks preferably 12 to get the full bennys from it. alot of people say its weak , but i love it, the hunger, and vascularity, and makes you feel like your made outta steel...very niiiiiiice!

 

[njmuscleguy]

Interested to see what EQ will do for me... I usually have a big appetite to begin with, so a little nervous about that.... I want to look vascular after having used EQ, not like a fat tub *grin*

On a side note, anyone ever have any libido issues with EQ?