Heart condition + Juicing = ?

[RichGenetics]

I had another post but i figured this would attract more attention. Anyways, i have what is called Mitrol Valve Prolapse. Its a very small heart condition where one valve (the mitrol valve) does not close all the way when the heart is pumping, therefore, allowing blood flow back in one chamber of the heart. Im sure there is more to it than that, but it gives you an idea of what it is.
My question, is that i am goin to start a cycle soon, probably in a week, and didnt know if aas would give me problems seeing how i have this heart deal? I have had 7-8 cycles under my belt and i know what im doing. I just needed to know if anyone has this or has ever heard of it, plus doing juice along with it.

Thanks and all replys are appreciated.

 

[RichGenetics]

Needed to add that i just found out about this around a month or so ago. Im in good shape, good health, just this valve problem is the only thing wrong with me. Well, i may have a few screws loose, but who doesnt

 

[tempest2003]

you ever run clen before? ive read that clen can cause this

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

I would just keep a close eye on your BP. Start to be more selective on what AAS products you choose. Being you have that many cycles under your belt you should know how your body reacts to AAS, what products makes your BP go up.
I would imagine that high BP would cause more blowback in to your heart chamber. If you can prevent further harm why be ingnorant and hurt your self(dont take that in a flamming way "ignorant")

 

[musclebones]

I have had 7-8 cycles under my belt and i know what im doing. I just needed to know if anyone has this or has ever heard of it, plus doing juice along with it.

Thanks and all replys are appreciated.

If you have 7-8 cycles under your belt and are not satisfied with your body then you do not know what your doing. You should be more than happy with your body right now, your seem like one of those juicers who always wants more.

Don't fuck with your heart man. Go natural. As soon as you stop juicing; over a couple years all that muscle is going to deteroriate any way. Your body won't stand for it.

Why keep gas'ing and risk heart problems ..... for an extra 10 lbs of muscle ????

 

[RichGenetics]

Thanks for the replies. Musclebones, yes i know what im doing, but have been in a slump for the past year for various reasons. I am not somebody who always wants more, just somebody who wants to be the best he can. I appreciate your reply though, seriously.
I went to the doctor this morning, and was told that using AAS would not harm my condition, but that it would only make my anxiety worse. I think i can handle that, so im going to give it a go.
Sustanon, Dbol, & winnny zambons to finish it off. I thank you all for your replies

 

[BrothaBill]

Hey there,
I work in cardiology and diagnose people with mitral valve prolapse all the time. Youre right the mitral valve gets floppy usually because of heredity and falls back through the plane of the valve annulus. Usually a leak is present that goes back into the left atrium this is called a murmur. And yes if your bp is raised then more leaks back. Ive often seen people with a severe leak diminish to a small leak when their bp is under control. Other than the increased bp from the aas affecting that leak through the mitral valve, I dont see any other problem. There is an increase risk of endocarditis (bacterial infection of the heart valve, a very serious condition usually requiring valve replacement) associated with MVP so no intravenous injections should not be taken, but aas is intramuscular so that shouldnt be a problem either. People with MVP or a heart murmur are often told to take antibiotics when having dental work done b/c the dental work releases bacteria in the bloodstream and there is small risk of having endocardtis occuring. Anxiety has been associated with MVP in a minority of people and no one quite knows why. MVP comes in mild to severe form so the worse the condition obvious the higher the risk, most people it causes no problems, but they do have to take the antibiotics before dentristry.

 

[RichGenetics]

Hey man thanks a ton for that info! I actually talked to my doctor this morning, and between a 1-10 he said i was about a 3 on the scale of good to bad cases. Also, my blood pressure is normal now, so i should be ok. Im going to start on the 1st. Here is a look at how it will probably go:

Week 1-5 Dbol @ 30mg per day
Week 1-10 Sustanon @ 750mg week (m-w-f injections)
Week 11-15 Winstrol Zambons @ 50mg day

I may adjust it a little but thats the basics of my cycle.

 

[BrothaBill]

Glad to help you can pm me any time for info about your condition. I have given many lectures on that very subject

 

[Tomo]

what about left ventricle hypertrophy, caused by as use, combined with his condition -tomo

 

[BrothaBill]

what about left ventricle hypertrophy, caused by as use, combined with his condition -tomo

No, hard to see that would be a factor at all. LVH occurs naturally b/c of high bp so that may make you more susceptible to LVH with aas. I have done countless studies on aas users and I have found that the muscle of heart returns to the previous level once the heart experiences normal bp and the perosn hads quit aas. This presupposes you have a normal heart structure to begin with and that you cycle off aas. I have found that the fear of LVH is overblown scare tactic, unless of course you have it before hand. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. THis is an enlarged heart disease. I had a patient in the ER this afternoon with that. If she took aas, it might probably kill her. So 999 of you might think you are normal, but its that 1/1000 motherf**ker out there that drops dead after reading this post. Just get it checked out by a doctor. Easily diagnosed by EKG about100$.Oh yeah, Ill no longer continue with my feus with Nelson. I searched his posts looking for ammo and found that I agreed with him most of the time. Ill refrain from the BS I was doing until after I read his book.

 

[toughdawg]

MVP runs in my family. Recently a family member of mine had to have open heart surgery to correct this. They were feeling fatigued all the time b/c of a lack of blood flowing to the rest of the body. As for my .02 I would just go natural. It really isn't worth fucking up your life for juice when you can just train harder and do it naturally.
I myself was recently diagnosed with a bi cuspid valve. This is where you only have two flaps that close your valve instead of three and I also have a slight amount of blood that does not get captured by the closing of the valve. The reason I found this out was b/c I was on Dbol and my body some how reacted to it causing me to have heart palpatations and I believe the palpatations led to accute anxiety.
Either way, I immediately stopped my cycle and figured my life in the long run is more important to me then juice. Again, this is just my .02.

 

[BrothaBill]

MVP runs in my family. Recently a family member of mine had to have open heart surgery to correct this. They were feeling fatigued all the time b/c of a lack of blood flowing to the rest of the body. As for my .02 I would just go natural. It really isn't worth fucking up your life for juice when you can just train harder and do it naturally.
I myself was recently diagnosed with a bi cuspid valve. This is where you only have two flaps that close your valve instead of three and I also have a slight amount of blood that does not get captured by the closing of the valve. The reason I found this out was b/c I was on Dbol and my body some how reacted to it causing me to have heart palpatations and I believe the palpatations led to accute anxiety.
Either way, I immediately stopped my cycle and figured my life in the long run is more important to me then juice. Again, this is just my .02.

yup, bicuspid aov. Ill pm you about what it is and what the treatment is on monday. It is the most common valve disease that we see. Most have 3 cspc, somr have two, others have four or five. IT can prgress to the 6th or 7th devade of life casusing a stivky aortic valve. That is a long term process. Just make sure you take antibiotices prior to dental work

Once again I attacked Nelson Montana slightly unproked. I shall refrain until I finish his book. It was unfair I decided after searching the hx of his posts and realized I agree with him 90% of the time. The apology will come after I read his book. After my research I found that he comments like I do.

 

[BrothaBill]

There is absolutely nothing you can do about the aortic valve. I dont care if you take 100* the dose. Nothing will prevent the disease progrssion. Ill pm you what exactly that is. I see it everyday so dont think youre special--freak. Noworries. I have an extra lumbar vertrabrae, ya dont see complaing that my parents drank too much Guiness back in Eireland.

 

[toughdawg]

Lucias-
I am also still waiting for my doc to call me about my echo- but maybe u can shed some light. They tech that gave me the echo also said my muscles that close the cuspids are longer then normal. Any idea's on that? Is it common?

 

[pharmguy]

you ever run clen before? ive read that clen can cause this

Where did you find this, Id be interested in reading up on this.