Have Steroids Been Worth it for YOU Personally?

[havoc]

Does the risks match the rewards?
Does the money that these drugs cost match the rewards?
Are the crashes and mental downfalls worth it?
Why?

I've been on this board for almost 2 years now. I have seen devoted gear users and activists posts threads in regards to "i will never use again". I have seen the opposite, naturals turning to gear usage. I have seen pics where many have used or done a cycle yet seem to look like a weight was never picked up. All the money used on gear that I have witness being talked about in the past 2 years on this board may easily add up to a million dollars. Many talk about permanent gains or how happy there cycle is making them feel, yet 2 months later a thread is made "how do you cope with gains lost" or something related. Just curious about your thoughts. peace

 

[jack hust]

YES THEY ARE WORTH IT TO ME I AM LUCKY I KEEP MOST OF MY GAINS I USE 3-4 TIMES A YEAR FOR 10 WEEKS AT THE TIME AND I DO NOT CRASH FOR SOME REASON LAST YEAR I ONLY DID 2 CYCLES AND KEEP 90% OF THE GAINE BEEN OFF FOR 4 MTHS AND STILL KEEPING GAINS WITH GOOD DIET AND WORK OUTS SO I DO NOT GET DEPRESSED I THNK GOD I HAVE BEEN SAFE DO MY RESARCH AND GET ADVICE FROM THE MODS AND I KEEP MOST OF MY GAINS .

 

[gorilla_boy]

YES THEY ARE WORTH IT TO ME I AM LUCKY I KEEP MOST OF MY GAINS I USE 3-4 TIMES A YEAR FOR 10 WEEKS AT THE TIME AND I DO NOT CRASH FOR SOME REASON LAST YEAR I ONLY DID 2 CYCLES AND KEEP 90% OF THE GAINE BEEN OFF FOR 4 MTHS AND STILL KEEPING GAINS WITH GOOD DIET AND WORK OUTS SO I DO NOT GET DEPRESSED I THNK GOD I HAVE BEEN SAFE DO MY RESARCH AND GET ADVICE FROM THE MODS AND I KEEP MOST OF MY GAINS .

I didn't read your post because it was ALL IN CAPS.
I skip almost all posts that are typed that way and I'm sure that many people from whom you would like comment do the same. The shit is very hard to look at.
Please stop it, it's the equivalent of yelling.

 

[gorilla_boy]

Does the risks match the rewards?
Does the money that these drugs cost match the rewards?
Are the crashes and mental downfalls worth it?
Why?

They have been worth it thus far. Will I regret it later? I hope not but in life, as everything else, for every credit there is a debit.

 

[decem]

no.. they're not worth the risks..

i don't think the rewards are greater than the risks.. i don't want to use them for the period of time that it takes to actually make a "permanent" gain. this will be my last cycle.. i will use var for 14-20 weeks afterwards.. at 20mg ed.. to 20mg eod.. then maybe even 10mg eod..

i plan on trying to gain as much as possible from this cycle.. while being safe.. and then doing everything i can to maintain what i gain.. but i know that after i drop the var.. i will lose it all and be back to my normal self..

so what it really comes down to.. is that i know that if i continue to use them i will harm my body.. i know that i want to be healthy.. and i know that all i have to do is learn how to cope with being normal and to be happy with what i was born with...

easier said than done.

 

[Razarsharp]

It's a sociological thing. As men we understand who we are on occasion, but we always want more. We always want to out do the next guy, be superior, be better - be the best. Because we are men we are born competative.

Whether or not steroids are worth it based on negatives versus positives? Sure...because if you pay attention to your body and take care of it by having your blood counts measured, your blood pressure and cholesterol measured, and a regular physical - you can avoid negatives. The mind games come with anything. If you take a few days off lifting, you have the same mind set just at a different level. It's better to try this and see how this works, then to go out every night and destroy your brain or lungs with any other illegals.

Also, if you are serious about what you do, keeping gains isn't that difficult and the outcome of your physique will reap the rewards. I've only used twice and might not again, but my body composition changed and I will take what I've done to further myself physically until I'm incapable of it anymore.

 

[havoc]

It's a sociological thing. As men we understand who we are on occasion, but we always want more. We always want to out do the next guy, be superior, be better - be the best. Because we are men we are born competative.

Whether or not steroids are worth it based on negatives versus positives? Sure...because if you pay attention to your body and take care of it by having your blood counts measured, your blood pressure and cholesterol measured, and a regular physical - you can avoid negatives. The mind games come with anything. If you take a few days off lifting, you have the same mind set just at a different level. It's better to try this and see how this works, then to go out every night and destroy your brain or lungs with any other illegals.

Also, if you are serious about what you do, keeping gains isn't that difficult and the outcome of your physique will reap the rewards. I've only used twice and might not again, but my body composition changed and I will take what I've done to further myself physically until I'm incapable of it anymore.

Nice thoughts there Razar. peace

 

[decem]

Also, if you are serious about what you do, keeping gains isn't that difficult and the outcome of your physique will reap the rewards. I've only used twice and might not again, but my body composition changed and I will take what I've done to further myself physically until I'm incapable of it anymore.

i agree with everything you said accept for the above quote..

please refer to my It's NOT Possible to Keep Gains Indefinitely thread to see why...

 

[CB38AC]

in short NO I like that I got big quik but people just assume Iuse so my quik temper is seen as rage and I am treated like a freak...

 

[jet]

I think you have to be smart with what/how you use. When I was younger, I did relative high dosages..ex- 750mg of sust and 600mg of EQ.
Now i try to get an edge. I do the lowest dose possible to get maximum keepable gains. For example, I'll do 300mg of deca and 200-250mg of test and try to keep the gains and limit the sides.

 

[CycloneHWT]

It's a sociological thing. As men we understand who we are on occasion, but we always want more. We always want to out do the next guy, be superior, be better - be the best. Because we are men we are born competative.
.

I agree with this in some aspects, like yes, most men are trying to outdo one another, but i personally am doing it for personal gain, i do not want to be better than you or anyone, I have enough confidence in myself to know i can hold my own with just about anyone. I do it to make myself happy, i do it so that i cab eventually look in the mirror and like what i see, not because its what society thinks, because its what i want. now i understand that big muscles and all that is liked because thats what society deems that a man should look like, but i feel that my want is different, more for a change in look, more for a change in what i see, not what i see so that anyone else will see me differently or you will think i look good or that girl over there is gonna want to drop to her knees in front of me, no, those are just "side effects" of what i want me to look like, and to be honest it aggrevates me when the girls that wouldnt talk to me before are begging to get in my pants now, i definitely dont do this for them or anyone. I do it for me.

now to answer the question, so far the answer is yes, it has been worth it for me, will it continue to be, we'll see, this is comin up on my last cycle, followed up by some DNP then im out of the game, all natural from then on out, my ogal is just something to work with, sort of have an artist come in and start the sculpture and i work out the details on my own.

Cyclone

 

[curling]

Good question havoc.

I would say yes and no. I say yes because I get my gear over the border so I can run a cycle just about as cheap as people run creatine. I don't like the shots(use to) but now I dread them. I do like the stregnth and the pumps I get from them. I have never eaten correctly yet so mainly all my cycles have been cutting cycles. It sux I can eat correctly during the week but on the weekend I never eat enough.

 

[havoc]

Decem, can you post that link with the ICQ of it, I get firewalled here and have to go through Elites ICQ, if not, I'll check it at home.

 

[decem]

Decem, can you post that link with the ICQ of it, I get firewalled here and have to go through Elites ICQ, if not, I'll check it at home.

sorry havoc.. i don't know how to do it.. but you should be able to do a search with the name of the thread and it'd bring it up.

 

[havoc]

I'll try that. peace

 

[havoc]

Now Decem, would that theory of yours apply to Anavar as well, I'm sure it does, anavar is the only thing I would even contemplate using, probably never will, most say that they keep there gains on anavar. Your opinion?

 

[curling]

Well I think anavar is a good product. I think wistrol you keep the gains also if you can deal with the painful joints that come as a side to some people. You do need to use clomid at the end of a winstrol cycle. But the winstol cycle is cheaper financially.

 

[Razarsharp]

Cyclone HWT:

In response to it being a personal "thing," I agree, of course. But now, think of it this way. Take away the popularity of bodybuilding in our society. Now, would working out and building a great physique be a part of your life. If we never had anyone before us to compare ourselves to, we would never want to personally improve ourselves physically to this extreme....because how would we know how defined we would want our midsection or how wide we'd want our lats. And when we see something we compare ourselves to, we do so trying to be better or as close as we can. The personal gratification is great and our main goal at times, but why start if you already were happy with your own physical self.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Now Decem, would that theory of yours apply to Anavar as well, I'm sure it does, anavar is the only thing I would even contemplate using, probably never will, most say that they keep there gains on anavar. Your opinion?

When you go over your genetic limit you lose your gains eventually, (no mater what you take). But if you have not reached it yet then you can keep your gains.

With anavar there is no water retention, it doesnt effect natural test production much and the gains come slowly, this is why it is so good for keeping gains.

Drugs like fina, test, halo shut your natural test production pretty hard which is why you lose some of your gains no matter what..

 

[havoc]

When you go over your genetic limit you lose your gains eventually, (no mater what you take). But if you have not reached it yet then you can keep your gains.

With anavar there is no water retention, it doesnt effect natural test production much and the gains come slowly, this is why it is so good for keeping gains.

Drugs like fina, test, halo shut your natural test production pretty hard which is why you lose some of your gains no matter what..

Thank you sir. peace

 

[ironbarbarian]

Does the risks match the rewards?
Does the money that these drugs cost match the rewards?
Are the crashes and mental downfalls worth it?
Why?

I've been on this board for almost 2 years now. I have seen devoted gear users and activists posts threads in regards to "i will never use again". I have seen the opposite, naturals turning to gear usage. I have seen pics where many have used or done a cycle yet seem to look like a weight was never picked up. All the money used on gear that I have witness being talked about in the past 2 years on this board may easily add up to a million dollars. Many talk about permanent gains or how happy there cycle is making them feel, yet 2 months later a thread is made "how do you cope with gains lost" or something related. Just curious about your thoughts. peace

No bro. I feel that for the amount of $$ I spent, I woud rather have done other stuff. I mean, I gained over the past years but its nothing out of this world. I could have gained close to that naturally without going through all that legal probs and medical issues. I get depressed off cycle and it fucks up with my mind because I became sort of addicted. I spent countless hours just looking at lists, and I felt I was like a kid in a candy store. It will never happen again, I am done with juice bro. Certainly wasnt worth it for me. The gains, makes you feel like super man one day but afterwards its just a reality and it hits you when your off. I just cant stand it anymore. later.

IB

 

[kaalgsio]

yes it has been worth it.

 

[CycloneHWT]

Cyclone HWT:

In response to it being a personal "thing," I agree, of course. But now, think of it this way. Take away the popularity of bodybuilding in our society. Now, would working out and building a great physique be a part of your life. If we never had anyone before us to compare ourselves to, we would never want to personally improve ourselves physically to this extreme....because how would we know how defined we would want our midsection or how wide we'd want our lats. And when we see something we compare ourselves to, we do so trying to be better or as close as we can. The personal gratification is great and our main goal at times, but why start if you already were happy with your own physical self.

good point bro, you're right, i might be happy with myself had i not seen any of these guys, society did kinda mold my image of perfection, but in my own way im not doing it for society, im doing it for me. who knows if i would have liked it if society deemed it perfect, lol, i like to think i would still have a similar image of what i would like to be, but who knows

Cyclone

 

[havoc]

Re: Re: Have Steroids Been Worth it for YOU Personally?

No bro. I feel that for the amount of $$ I spent, I woud rather have done other stuff. I mean, I gained over the past years but its nothing out of this world. I could have gained close to that naturally without going through all that legal probs and medical issues. I get depressed off cycle and it fucks up with my mind because I became sort of addicted. I spent countless hours just looking at lists, and I felt I was like a kid in a candy store. It will never happen again, I am done with juice bro. Certainly wasnt worth it for me. The gains, makes you feel like super man one day but afterwards its just a reality and it hits you when your off. I just cant stand it anymore. later.

IB

Much respect for your honesty. peace

 

[mranderson]

so far i have alwasys kept gaing post cycle iv took time off about 4 weeks lost nothing and was stronger when I got back to the gym there fore I believe I have not yet reached my genetic potential when I do I dont believe i will want to go any further because of the reasons stated here iv been useing just to reach my potential to see how far i can go.

 

[liquidmuscle]

well as far as the long arm of the law no its not worth it, heath risks its kinda worth it, and for the pussy its hella worth it but yes i am at my natural limit no matter what i do i break 200lbs and get to 210 or what have ya and then after i am done boom i am back at where i started, so yes it sucks but the rush of having juice run thru my veins is too addictive

 

[decem]

strong man 20 beat me to it.. i agree with everything he said..

havoc.. when you say that anavar is the only thing that you would ever contemplate using.. what do you mean?

i could swear that i remember you posting pics on the board.. and you were obviously "on".. so do you mean that var is the only thing that you'll contemplate using from now on.. and that you're done with harsher steroids.. or do you mean that it's the only one you'd ever use and that you've never taken roids before?

if you have never taken roids before.. who was that picture of?

 

[Bodhidogma]

i could swear that i remember you posting pics on the board.. and you were obviously "on".

that large bastard is all natural my boy.

a genetic freak.

 

[decem]

that large bastard is all natural my boy.

a genetic freak.

holy shit.. no way.. havoc.. i don't know why you'd even ever consider using gear if this is true..

 

[Frackal]

Yes it has been absolutely worth it to me. When I did my first injection I was only 178 lbs and my back injury was killing me as it was too weak to heal and support my body yet too injured to allow me to strengthen it. After my cycle, I had made more healing progress on my back in those 8 weeks than the previous 8 months. I took some time off to jump my natural test, and used oxandrolone (anavar) at a low dosage only before a workout and continued to improve my body composition.

Havoc: Many of the people on this board use very excessive dosages compared to what they should regarding their goals, level of experience, etc..

I am sure you are wise enough to know that moderation is the key to everything, as it is here. AAS are a tool you can use, they can be used to take you PERMANENTLY above your genetic barriers, or, if used briefly, right to the limit....besides, no one really knows that you cannot surpass your genetic barrier and maintain it, that is just hearsay, I personally think with the right mindframe you could do it.

The main thing I think you should be considering in all this is your 'loss' of your 'natural' status...too many people on here see steroids as the primary 'cause' of their gains, rather than thinking, diet, training, rest, steroids...you can tell by silly posts like "What AAS is best for blowing up arms?"

You Havoc, are perfectly capable of using something in a controlled and intelligent manner. If you do this, you will be fine.

Good luck in your decision...remember...I believe in the spiritual aspect of training just as you do (whether you knew that or not) so feel free to PM me or email me further for my thoughts.

 

[havoc]

Frackal- thanks, peace

Decem- like it was mentioned, I'm natural, 245lbs right now at 7%, just lucky, mixing genetics, nutrition and having proper training down to a science for me, anavar is the only thing I would attempt, no androgens or syringes, just some creatine with anavar, wondered if it would be worth it.

Also, too many on here said a phrase that is incorrect in my opinion. The phrase was "genetic limit", I don't personally believe this exists, I have never experienced it and I have been training for 8 years now. A physique is much more than size and strength, a physique is muscle shape, muscle maturity, size, strength, density and symmetry. Shape, maturity and density only come with time. As an example I see Lee Labrada on a consistent basis, the man is drug free(yes i know he did plenty) right now and has the best shape and density he has ever had. Why? Time my friends. There is no "genetic limit", at least for myself there is not, same for you if you think properly. Just my common sense. peace to all

 

[decem]

anavar is the only thing I would attempt, no androgens or syringes, just some creatine with anavar, wondered if it would be worth it.

i know you're a smart man havoc.. and you obviously have self control to have held off this long.. just keep in mind that once you do them.. there is a definite possibility that they will leave you wanting more..

 

[Gage]

Its worth it bro.

 

[geo44]

hard to say.....cycled in my 20's- did nothing right-and grew like
crazy. started again last year-in my 40's. i'm on my 4th cycle now;
week 4 and consistantly feel like shit. have gained and kept 32lbs
since last feb but......injections seem to hurt more now; joints hurt
like hell(even on my current deca,eq,test) sleep sucks,feel lethargic, snore like a freight train. i'm 5'10" 215 9-11%bf..look
better at 44 than I ever have but I feel like I'm 60. this will probably be my last cycle.sometimes my shoulders hurt so bad
this "big boy" can't even pick up my 6yr old boy.

 

[Stan O'Zolol]

Some days yes, some days no.

 

[Nathan]

Well, I'll say this, AAS give me something to look forward to and make me feel WAY more confident and secure about myself. HOWEVER, they scare the shit out of me at the same time. Every pain I feel, every time anything out of the ordinary happens to my body, I think to myself, "Sweet Mary Mother of Christ, what have I done to myself?" So far it hasn't ended up being anything bad but the paranoia is there. Gear does make me happier on average then without it I'd have to say. For me, that is hugely important as I can't seem to do anything that makes me happy or satisfied. The gear doesn't exactly bring that feeling of satisfaction but it makes me feel as though it is much closer and attainable, and least with how I feel about my self-image, if that makes any sense.
As to whether or not it is worth it, I'll let you know in 20 years, but I'll bet you anything gear won't be what kills me, it'll be something genetic that does me in that I couldn't have controlled anyway. The MOST important thing in life is to do what makes you happy. I'd rather live another 20 years moderately happy, then the next 50 wishing there was something I could do to find happiness. I gotta add a side-note: There is much more to life than gear and in my experience it isn't what ultimately brings "true happiness", whatever the fuck that is, but it can sure help.

 

[havoc]

Great replies and advice, thanks for the honesty. peace

 

[drummerbuilder]

there's been some good posts here

a lot of what i've read, i agree with
i think what has been said about "feeling good about who and what you are" applies to the use of AAS more than anything else-
ie if AAS makes you a "different" person, maybe there's a problem

from my own perspective, and i think i have a useful and informed one to pass along, AAS CAN be worth it provided that you know what you are doing and don't let them rule your life
i've been cycling for almost exactly six years now, didn't cycle till i had training clean for six years and was 22 yrs old
i'm a pretty big guy at 6'2/240 about 10%, but then again, i was about 230 before i ever started
i'd estimate my almost 20 cycles as netting me about 20 lbs of muscle total (also taking into account fat loss) - probably muscle that i would have never had otherwise
i've never gone over 1000mg/wk in total dosages (most cycles have been in the 500-600 mg range), always taken at least four weeks "between" cycles while taking the accessory drugs, trained hard, ate a clean diet very high in protein - you know, all the "right things to do"

the only problem that i've ever had - morally, financially, legally, medically, anything - was that my glutes eventually built up quite a bit of scar tissue in them from all the injections over the years
when it got to the point - about eight months ago - that i thought it might be hurting my body somehow, i resolved to do only anavar cycles from then on - light ones at that (30mg/day)
after all, i figured that i couldn't stay "on" forever, and that someday i would like to be completely natural again
i've now done two anavar only cycles, and i can tell you, as mild as anavar might be compared to the standards like test, deca, etc, there's absolutely NO DENYING that anavar is still a steroid
when i stopped the anavar, i definately noticed strength, size and endurance decreases
don't get me wrong, the dropoff isn't what its like w/androgens or high dosages, but there's still a dropoff
and again, i feel very confident that i am doing all the "right things" with diet, supplemental drugs, training, etc
the moral of the story here is that AAS will help you break beyond your normal genetic barriers
just don't count on a lot of "permanence" with your results over the long haul

 

[Whiskey]

Yes, definitley. I feel good, look good, and the sex is good. THe ol lady goes ape shit when I am on, she gety horny as hell seeing me get bigger. It might catch up with me in the long run, but when that comes, I will always have the memories that I made while on. some say it isn't worth it, that is fine by me, don't do it then. hold on, I need to go take a shot real quick.....

Whiskey