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I'm into the middle of the 3rd week of Anavar, EQ, Primoboaln and Winny. When would be a good time to throw in some Halotestin?
I have 200 of the 5mg from Upjohn.
I have 200 of the 5mg from Upjohn.
Halotestin
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Linares868
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Yes I know they are bad for the liver and for the kidneys also. I'm taking alot of water, Cranberry Extract, Milk Thistle, EPO, Saw Palmetto, etc. Hope it helps.
my answer is bullshit. i take halo with winny,fina,prop, last 45 days and have had never had problems. now my liver enzymes will increase but fall back into place. now this is for hardcore show diet but its one i do everytime. with 5 weeks out i just went off deca and eq and add in halo slowly increasing dose weekly up to 7-8 pills a d ay ( mine are 2.5) never had sides or problems yet
"... LIVER CELL TUMORS ARE ALSO REPORTED. MOST OFTEN THESE TUMORS ARE BENIGN AND ANDROGEN-DEPENDENT, BUT FATAL MALIGNANT TUMORS HAVE BEEN REPORTED. WITHDRAWAL OF DRUG OFTEN RESULTS IN REGRESSION OR CESSATION OF PROGRESSION OF THE TUMOR. HOWEVER, HEPATIC TUMORS ASSOCIATED WITH ANDROGENS OR ANABOLIC STEROIDS ARE MUCH MORE VASCULAR THAN OTHER HEPATIC TUMORS AND MAY BE SILENT UNTIL LIFE-THREATENING INTRA-ABDOMINAL HEMORRHAGE DEVELOPS..."WormAAA77 said:
BTG's very own website:http://www.oxandrin.com/prescribing_info2.html#prec
genarr3 said:
You ignored my question.
You're forgetting that when liver problems do arise with patients given Oxandrin, they already possess severe diseases such as HIV and have weak immune systems, endocrine, etc. Last I checked, not too many people on this board are HIV+ (not that i've actually checked anyone)
Bonkovsky HL, Fiellin DA, Smith GS, Slaker DP, Simon D, Galambos JT
Department of Medicine, Emory University School of Medicine, Atlanta, Georgia.
The present studies were designed to provide careful measures of effects of oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, intravenous nutritional supplementation, and the combination of these two treatments on liver functions, metabolic balances, nitrogen metabolism, and nutritional status in patients with moderate to severe alcoholic hepatitis. Of 43 patients originally recruited, 39 (19 men, 20 women) with typical clinical and laboratory features of alcoholic hepatitis (11 Child's-Pugh class B; 28 class C) were admitted to a metabolic unit and completed a 35-day three-phase protocol. Phase I was a 10-day baseline period of observation, during which routine and special quantitative tests of liver function (galactose and antipyrine metabolism), a 7-day elemental balance study, and a 15N, 13C-leucine metabolism study were done. Phase II was a 21-day treatment period during which patients were randomly assigned to receive one of four regimens: 1) standard therapy, consisting of abstinence, a balanced, nutritionally adequate diet, and multivitamins; 2) oxandrolone (20 mg orally four times a day) plus standard therapy; 3) nutritional supplementation, consisting of 2 L daily of 3.5% crystalline amino acids (in 5% dextrose), given by peripheral vein; or 4) a combination of oxandrolone and nutritional supplementation, along with standard therapy. Metabolic balances were repeated during phase II. Phase III was 2 or 3 days posttreatment, during which special studies of liver functions and volumes and leucine metabolism were repeated. All patients who completed phase I of study and were randomly allocated to one of the four treatment groups completed the subsequent two phases. Overall, with time, patients showed highly significant improvements in most clinical and laboratory features. For most standard laboratory tests (e.g., serum albumin, transferrin, prothrombin time) improvements were more marked in patients treated with nutritional supplementation and/or oxandrolone than in those given standard therapy alone. Liver volumes fell in all treatment groups, with greater improvement in those treated with nutritional supplementation. Improvements in galactose and antipyrine metabolism rates were significant only in those treated with nutritional supplementation or oxandrolone. Effects of treatments on metabolic balances, nitrogen metabolism, and measures of nutrition are described in this issue in a companion paper. We conclude that the addition of nutritional supplementation and oxandrolone to standard therapy of moderately severe or severe
alcoholic hepatitis is well tolerated, and leads to more rapid improvement in the laboratory parameters measured.
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genarr3 said:
I agree with you. Ya, you may not do any damage to you liver this time, but maybe next time!!!
Also, weird thing is, although I know anavar is 17aa I've actually read studies where it was reported to be good for the liver??? It also stated that some doc's prescribe it to people with hepotitus. Weird????
I've seen the study you posted before and I've read it. To be frank I'm not qualified to argue this subject. But what I have before me is one study where people with severe liver damage were given Anavar and improved. I also have a warning from the manufacturer saying it can cause liver damage. I'm sure they didn't arbitrarily throw liver damage in the warnings for no reason, they must also have a study showing it can cause liver damage.WormAAA77 said:
Like is said, I'm no doctor, all I can do is use whatever creditable information I can get and make a decision. I believe BTG.
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Linares868
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Thanks guys for all the information. I'm going to add Halotestin in with my cycle during the last 3 weeks probably at 20-30mg/day.
jellyman01
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if you are gonna do halo, and you are pissed off at someone,or have a bad temper you better be careful...you may beat someone to a pulp
Silent Method
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The only way you could possibly believe this statement to be infalible is if you were God.flexed1 said:
Even if there was a tumor growing, it would most likley be benign. Running the combo for a a few weeks (no more than 4) would be ok IMO, 40mg winny and 20mg halo. Keep i wouldnt run orals past that though, need time to recoup.
THere are other things to worry about other than tumors like cholestasis, peliosis hepatitis....ect.
THere are other things to worry about other than tumors like cholestasis, peliosis hepatitis....ect.
I agree Gen, it isnt the smartest thng to do, but it not that big of a dose for not that long, so the user should be ok. Still not a smart thing because this will limit you to only 4 weeks of orals before you need a long break. So if you are GOING to do it, do it a t a low dose for no longer than 4 weeks. The liver is quite resiliant and capable of repair. Its up to how the person tolerates the 17aa's.
Take the precautions and know signs of liver stress should they arrise.
Take the precautions and know signs of liver stress should they arrise.
