Gyno from Epistane? How is this possible?

[shawn_h001]

I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this:

About three weeks into an Epistane cycle (only epistane, no Ai's) I got gyno symptoms (itchy/puffy nipples, sore glands, etcc). Now, I know that this prosteroid is supposed to have strong AI properties and is not supposed to aromatize, so how did this happen? Could it be prolactin induced?

Any ideas would help me fight the gyno I am now fighting.

 

[dabuffguy]

There is only one real way to know for sure and that is getting your blood analyzed.

If you have an usual problem, then go to the doctor and get it sorted out. Playing the guessing game while your boobs swell is the last thing you want to be doing.

 

[10001110101]

run low dose AI til it clears up.

problem solved.

i dont know why it's happening but i know stranger things have happened, and you're not the first person i've ever heard say that about epi.

as your body stops producing testosterone the androgen receptors in breast tissue stop being stimulated increasing sensitivity to estrogen. your body is always producing some estrogen so this sudden increase in sensitivity could cause the gyno issue.

i'm guessing this is your first cycle?

 

[shawn_h001]

Yes, it was my "virgin" cycle. I am running letro/nolva right now, so I'm planning to get bloodwork done when I'm off that.

In your opinion, would it be safe to run another cycle, running Aromasin as an AI? Say...12.5 mg's every day or EOD?

 

[dabuffguy]

Yes, it was my "virgin" cycle. I am running letro/nolva right now, so I'm planning to get bloodwork done when I'm off that.

In your opinion, would it be safe to run another cycle, running Aromasin as an AI? Say...12.5 mg's every day or EOD?

Letro and nolva should work. The nolva should stop the receptors in the breast tissue from binding to estrogen and the letro reduces estrogen altogether.

What doses are you using?

 

[shawn_h001]

Tapered up to 2.5 mg's letro + 20 mg's Nolva. Staying there until I see results...

 

[dabuffguy]

Tapered up to 2.5 mg's letro + 20 mg's Nolva. Staying there until I see results...

That should be enough. Is it generic?

 

[shawn_h001]

Both are name brand (Femara and Nolvadex-D).

 

[dabuffguy]

K, so those should be as legit as they come.

The one time i had a little bit of nip itch/soreness it took about 4 weeks to reduce and go away.

 

[shawn_h001]

Ok man, thanks, I'll keep at it.

 

[shawn_h001]

Do you think getting some Cabaser and that in would help? or would it not be applicable in this case???

 

[goal200]

Geez man you're hittin the ancillaries pretty hard for just having a little issue from epi...just the nolva for a few weeks will be enough. Your running the strongest suicidal estrogen inhibitor there is (letro) and you wanna add another drug into the mix?? Take it easy, let the nolva work, be PATIENT. Some are more prone to sides than others, that doesnt mean you need to take every drug available to combat them...

 

[dabuffguy]

Do you think getting some Cabaser and that in would help? or would it not be applicable in this case???

Absolutely not. Cabaser is for prolactin from nandrolones.



Like goal said, you are already doing plenty. Let it work.

 

[shawn_h001]

I know that letro is strong, but believe me, the gyno is pretty noticeable. I'm just trying to get it sorted. Thanks though, I didn't think it was necessary/useful in this case.