Guys! Serious Stuff Here. I Need Your Help.

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A couple years back I abused gear big time. And when I came off, I did a PCT. I don't remember the actual PCT I did for shit so don't ask me what I did. Anyways, I never returned back to normal after the abuse. I got weak, fat, mood swings here and there, loss of sexual interest blah blah blah. You know the rest. Anyways, after such a long time of waiting for my own self to return ( which I never did ) I decided to go to a Doctor. I ended up going to 3 doctors that really pissed me off. Why? Because I told them the truth on what I did and it seemed like they didn't want to help me but instead run their fucking mouths off. I pretty much told them "fuck you" and left their office. Finally I met up with a doc that was very understanding. He took all the necessary blood work and even had my heart checked out. He said that my Test levels were pretty low, my estrogen was a tiny bit over...same for cortisol. And that my IGF-1 was VERY low. So he asked me if I ran a PCT. I said yes and told him what I did. Remember...I don't remember shit! This was quite some time for me. But he too was shocked that that didn't return me back to normal or at least normal low range. He sent me to an endocronologist. This doctor prescribed me Androgel and GH. Within about 3 months...the depression, fat, low mood, low sex drive etc etc all got better. I have been on this for quite some time already. I'm now ready to finish a long cycle that consists of Sustanon, Tren, Dostinex, and Proviron. Question is, if I'm fucked up as it is, and I'm never to return back to normal , how do I run a PCT for myself? Your probably thinking "what about sperm developement? having kids?" blah blah blah. The wife and I have been together for over 13 years and we do not want to have children. I have no time for them, and my wife fucking hates kids! Long story short, she hates kids because of some child abuse situation that happend to her. It's too complicated to get into right now. Shit! Even my own parents don't want me to have kids! They've told me straight up in my face that having kids will destroy the wonderful life you currently have. They pretty much told me that me being born ruined their lives. But not in a bad way. I understand what they are saying by this so it's cool. Anyways! I'm going off the subject here. So how should I run a PCT? Or do I even need to run a PCT? Should I stop the drugs, use HCG and then run Clomid/Nolva for a month? And also continue with the Dostines and Proviron for that month too? And then continue my normal Androgel dosage? Or should I just stop and then jump on Androgel? How??????? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know there are a lot smart MOFO's here. Just look at my avatar. You think I got like that on my own? Each one of you knowledge contributed to my physique. So thank you all!

 

[UA_Iron]

I think Ulter could give you a good response on this subject.

 

[Stryker1992]

Bro, okay first off , how bad did you abuse before and how long has it been???

How long has this cycle been????

Did the doc state why you did not return to normal???

 

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I abused meaning I was on different types of gear for like 1.5 years straight! Nonstop! Many guys that abuse gear in this fashion DO NOT return back to normal. I learned the hard way.

 

[thx9000]

Carth,

Resume the HRT program that the Doc put you on. I have no idea what it was, let's assume 200mg T EOW and 1iu GH ED (or whatever he perscribed). You have nothing to recover. Sorry, a "recovery cycle" makes no sense in your case. The best you could hope for, if you did a RC, is low test, slightly elevated E and VERY low IGF-1. So...

When you are done with the cycle just go back to whatever the Endo put you on for you life time HRT program. If things don't seem to be going well 4-6wk down the road just ask him for some follow-up testing.

 

[liquidmuscle]

contact me bro [email protected]

 

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Just did bro!

 

[Big Duke 3]

I abused meaning I was on different types of gear for like 1.5 years straight! Nonstop! Many guys that abuse gear in this fashion DO NOT return back to normal. I learned the hard way.

Hang in there bro....there is an answer. I'm not claiming to be an expert of any kind but I can speak from personal experience because like you, I was on gear for about 1.5 years as well and had the same problems trying to get my body back to normal functioning. All the bullshit sides that I had you already mentioned in your first post....and they suck!! Lack of energy,sex drive,bad moods, just a sense of general malaise so to speak. I wrecked my HPTA (Hypothalamus,Pituitary,Testicular Axis) and my PCT didn't even get me back to normal. I did HCG/Clomid to try and recover with limited success. Basically had me in a state of mind to plan my next cycle so I could feel "normal" again.

After going through the same bullshit as you with several different docs and much bloodwork...I resigned myself to being on permanent HRT of Cypionate or Enanthate.

In your post you mentioned Androgel and HGH. I would use that as a bridge between your cycles to keep your test levels in the normal reference range and to keep your body and brain in check so you feel normal. Then when you want to start your next cycle just ramp up from there and do it. You could give your body a break with PCT and just start the process over again indefinately. Really not that much different than what most of us already do who are on lifetime HRT due to low test levels/Hypogonadism.

The only bitch of it is the maintenance recurring cost associated with your monthly supply of the Androgel and if you decide to stay on GH. Your health insurance plan should probably cover the cost of the Androgel just like mine does.

I know that I was not able to address all your questions in your original post but I am sure someone here will give you the input you are looking for.

 

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Insurance does cover my androgel and GH. $40 a month for 108 ius And $50 a month for 450mg's of Androgel test. Which I don't think I'm going to stay with anymore. I think I should just take 2 amps of Sustanon per month. What is that.....$20!!??? As compared to $50! doesn't make sense to stay on the androgel right?

 

[Ulter]

First, having children isn't an issue. That hasn't changed from AS use. If you could before then you still can.

Your year and a half on is not too long to fully recover your HPTA function and recover any other stressed systems. Of the hundred or so guys I know that were on for over 2 years every one of them has recovered just fine.
In one of the studies in the Bjaarki Library at Anabolic Fitness they used about 30 steroid user who averaged 33 weeks a year at 750mg. The liver values, lipid profiles, HPTA, etc., all were back to normal within 5 months. And I think most people who are on that long don't wait that long for results. When they aren't back to normal in 2-3 months they panick.
Your recovery will take longer with each passing cycle. If you want to recover then you should use the gel and use HCG/nolva for a couple weeks in the beginning of your PCT. After a few months of gel, just like the last time, you'll go back to normal. And the gel will prevent a crash. A lot of guys who have done long cycles use the gel as part of a prolonged PCT.

 

[Stryker1992]

I am still interested in what kind of doses you were on????

 

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Dont remember. Took Cyp, Deca, Drol, Dbol, Sust, Insulin, GH, Winny, Primo.

 

[georgie24]

wow! what a story bro. good luck my man and keep us posted..btw your avatar looks of something fierce..good job

 

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Thanks!

 

[Stryker1992]

So, what are you going to do??????

I would try hcg every 4 weeks @ 5ooo iu's over 4 days. I had to try this before when I turned my shit off bad. You have to be patient and let yourself recover after that.

This is a protocol from HRT for men.

 

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