Gun Nuts: Idea -- Let's Get Serious Here

[mrplunkey]

Pure Hypothetical... Nobody get their panties in a wad plz.

I don't know that much about FFLs and all the issues around making gun parts. I've known a few people who did machining on parts, and I do know you can't just make stuff and use/sell it.

But what about this?

1) Is it illegal to make a rifled barrel? Not a gun... not even a firing mechanism. Just a high quality barrel with rifling.

2) What if you sold the barrel, along with all the 3D models necessary to make a high performance full automatic weapon? Would the models alone be illegal? Is that some sort of conspiracy?

3) I figure you could make the critical parts from metal. And the 3D models could be designed for manufacturability (i.e. easy to fixture, minimum setups, friendly tolerances).

4) The rest of the parts could be 3D printed. With the wide availability of 3D printers now, all the support parts (i.e. stock) could be printed in ABS.

So would that be legal? Would it be some sort of conspiracy? I figure you could sell the barrel and 3D models as a kit for a couple hundred dollars.

 

[Soulthief]

There is a guy in Montana doing this. He's making non functional gun parts that have to be "finished" to create a fully functioning machine gun. He says he is just selling useless pieces of metal.

He said he knew he was being watched when helicopters and black SUV's arrived at his ranch. LOL He is still currently producing. The FED's are still just monitoring him.

 

[PICK3]

Nobody get their panties in a wad plz.

too late, mine are already bunged up

 

[mrplunkey]

I have that effect on a lot of people.

 

[mrplunkey]

There is a guy in Montana doing this. He's making non functional gun parts that have to be "finished" to create a fully functioning machine gun. He says he is just selling useless pieces of metal.

He said he knew he was being watched when helicopters and black SUV's arrived at his ranch. LOL He is still currently producing. The FED's are still just monitoring him.

That's another great idea. Order the castings and let the end user finish them.

 

[Soulthief]

The end user has to still make slight adjustments and even supply parts like the firing pin. I believe it won't even except one in its semi finished state.

He's basically leaving the liability and legality up the the end user. He's just selling high dollar paper weights. Smart guy in my book.

 

[mrplunkey]

The end user has to still make slight adjustments and even supply parts like the firing pin. I believe it won't even except one in its semi finished state.

He's basically leaving the liability and legality up the the end user. He's just selling high dollar paper weights. Smart guy in my book.

He's definitely on to something.

I wonder if all the metal parts (except the barrel) could be designed to be machined on a single piece of steel. So you'd machine the front side of the parts from the rectangular blank. Then you'd machine the fixture to attach the front side parts. Then attach those connected parts to the fixture and machine all the pieces free. I do that in my basement all the time.

I'd bet you could do the whole thing in less than an hour per side. Then 3D print the less critical parts and you're done.

 

[Y_lifter]

If the gun you are making is legal for you to own in your state, and you can legally own a gun,
ATF laws say you can make it for personal use but not for resale without an FFL.

Plus you also need to pay a federal NFA tax on the weapon you build.

Bottom line, its much cheaper and safer to buy one from a manufacturer.
Anyone making a weapon probably can't buy one legally, which may be why they get the scrutiny from ATF

 

[mrplunkey]

If the gun you are making is legal for you to own in your state, and you can legally own a gun,
ATF laws say you can make it for personal use but not for resale without an FFL.

Plus you also need to pay a federal NFA tax on the weapon you build.

Bottom line, its much cheaper and safer to buy one from a manufacturer.
Anyone making a weapon probably can't buy one legally, which may be why they get the scrutiny from ATF

I'm pretty sure you can't even make a gun for your own personal use without some level of FFL.

And I'm also pretty sure that making a full automatic is illegal, even if you do it 100% yourself and assemble it.

And even with those bold statements, I freely admit I don't understand the details. A friend of mine used to make a receiver for a perfectly legal production rifle (he only made one part) and was forced to get an FFL and was routinely audited.

 

[-SD-]

Its all illegal and youre going to fucking jail and Im calling Eric Holder and Obama right now