Gun experts I have a question to ask....

[big$grip]

Can you tell me the difference between a hollow point bullet and a regular bullet??

My friend gave me a box of 9mm hollows for a pistol i bought last month.

 

[HUGHJORGEN]

hollow pints are designed to spread on impact, which transfers more energy from the bullet to the target. A full metal jacket in most calibers will retain it's general shape and often passes alll the way thru a body, doing little damager, and endangering standers by.

 

[The Shadow]

yeah - hollow points look like a cigar when a "plug" is cut out of it.......the center hub is also braided which allows for the bullet to burst into almost a mushroom shape effect....think small hole in - big hole on the inside



I shoot Hollowpoint Hydroshocks in my .357

 

[HUGHJORGEN]

I use hydra shocks in my .45 as well.

 

[Norman Bates]

I´m no expert, but as far as i know hollow point means that the projectile isn´t massive.
Therefore it will deform more when it hits something and cause much more damage plus it is unlikely to penetrate the target.
The negative side, it is unlikely to penetrate some armor.

 

[The Shadow]

I´m no expert, but as far as i know hollow point means that the projectile isn´t massive.
Therefore it will deform more when it hits something and cause much more damage plus it is unlikely to penetrate the target.
The negative side, it is unlikely to penetrate some armor.

Not nesessarily ture - it is lighter but it will also travel faster

 

[Norman Bates]

Which of the three statements do you think were wrong?

 

[casavant]

I´m no expert, but as far as i know hollow point means that the projectile isn´t massive.
Therefore it will deform more when it hits something and cause much more damage plus it is unlikely to penetrate the target.
The negative side, it is unlikely to penetrate some armor.

Leave this question to the Americans, buddy.

 

[KHMER ROGUE]

Biggrip, what kind of pistol did you buy?

 

[The Shadow]

force = mass x acceleration

So....less acceleration = less speed....burt the lighter load compensates

 

[manny78]

I´m no expert, but as far as i know hollow point means that the projectile isn´t massive.
Therefore it will deform more when it hits something and cause much more damage plus it is unlikely to penetrate the target.
The negative side, it is unlikely to penetrate some armor.

JHP or any mushroom bullet is not a smart choice to go through a body armor since the most of its "energy" will be absorb by the Kevlar....

 

[HUGHJORGEN]

force = mass x acceleration

So....less acceleration = less speed....burt the lighter load compensates

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additioanlly when the bullet spreads open it transfers more energy to the target.. ie more stopping power!

 

[big$grip]

Biggrip, what kind of pistol did you buy?

I got a glock 17(9mm)

I should've bought a glock 22(40 cal)

 

[Norman Bates]

Self-defense bullets are most often hollow-pointed, meaning that the tip of the bullet is concave and not a solid sharp point. This type of shape assists in having the bullet "mushroom" or deform when it hits a surface, thus causing a larger frontal surface area and subsequently slowing down faster - in the process transferring the kinetic energy to the target. The idea behind this design is to ensure that the bullet will not over penetrate and continue flying on through and past the target. Even though rifle rounds such as the .223 Remington and .308 Winchester usually have pointed tips their design is such that the bullet starts to tumble and break up upon penetrating a surface and therefore don't over penetrate.

 

[jeremys]

if anybody hunts with a 12 gauge, take a jacknife and whiddle an X in the end of the slug. There's bullets for .44 mag that have this.

the bullet will break apart most of the time, with parts of the bullet spreading out, causing more damage to the target

 

[casavant]

Self-defense bullets are most often hollow-pointed, meaning that the tip of the bullet is concave and not a solid sharp point. This type of shape assists in having the bullet "mushroom" or deform when it hits a surface, thus causing a larger frontal surface area and subsequently slowing down faster - in the process transferring the kinetic energy to the target. The idea behind this design is to ensure that the bullet will not over penetrate and continue flying on through and past the target. Even though rifle rounds such as the .223 Remington and .308 Winchester usually have pointed tips their design is such that the bullet starts to tumble and break up upon penetrating a surface and therefore don't over penetrate.

Last time my little bro dropped a deer with his Remington 700 .308, he had to go pull a fist-sized chunk of its lung out of a tree.

 

[big$grip]

So from what i'm hearing...hollow points will kill you faster than a regular bullet,if you get hit by one,right??

 

[Norman Bates]

casavant, i thought we were talking about pistols.
And i stick to my statement, jhp are more unlikely to penetrate than fmj

 

[MP5]

The hollow point just makes a wider wound channel since it expands more. For penetration you would be better off with a full metal jacket or balistic tipped bullet.

 

[The Shadow]

casavant, i thought we were talking about pistols.
And i stick to my statement, jhp are more unlikely to penetrate than fmj

...and again...it is not necessarily true

 

[Norman Bates]

...and again...it is not necessarily true

Let´s try it out... pistols at noon

 

[casavant]

casavant, i thought we were talking about pistols.
And i stick to my statement, jhp are more unlikely to penetrate than fmj

Your cut and paste was talking about rifles, buddy. .223 and .308 (5.56 x 45 and 7.62 x 51, respectively) are rifle cartridges. There are a few specialty pistols that will fire .223, but it's not a "pistol cartridge". If you want to talk about pistols, start talking. I'm all ears.

 

[manny78]

casavant, i thought we were talking about pistols.
And i stick to my statement, jhp are more unlikely to penetrate than fmj

using the same caliber the FMJ will penetrate more than a JHP. But since JHP are banned in Canada but not FMJ, thats why cops wear their body armor 24/7.....

 

[Tarheel]

if anybody hunts with a 12 gauge, take a jacknife and whiddle an X in the end of the slug. There's bullets for .44 mag that have this.

the bullet will break apart most of the time, with parts of the bullet spreading out, causing more damage to the target

True, the slug may break apart, and thats a *bad* thing. Why not just use buckshot? Fragmentation means less mass for each part, which means less penetration, smaller overall wound channel, and less chance of a clean pass through. If you poke a hole all the way thru, he's going to bleed more and leave a better blood trail.

Now on thin-skin weak animals that dont run much (humans) then fragmentation ammo like Core-bons work well. Not as much chance of shooting thru a wall into a bystander either.

Of course I'm more of a rifle shooter than a pistol guy, I haven't been in the pistol game in a few years.

For self defense against humans I'd definently go for hollowpoints or fragmentary ammo, no doubt about it.

 

[Norman Bates]

using the same caliber the FMJ will penetrate more than a JHP. But since JHP are banned in Canada but not FMJ, thats why cops wear their body armor 24/7.....

Sounds as if someone was saying i´m right?

 

[MP5]

The most important measurement to determine penetration is kinetic energy.
KE= m(v^2)

this being said, if the round had the exact same powder charge, and the exact same weight bullet, both rounds should have roughly the same KE upon reaching the target (taking out the variable of wind resistance). Which bullet penetrates deeper then depends on the bullet type. A full metal jacket would penetrate deeper because of its lack of expansion would cause less resistance. The hollow point would expand more, tearing up more tissue causing more resisitance. So the hollow point would cause more damage. The other variable to consider is for each give bullet type, the manufacturer of the round will alter its charge weight and/or powder type, so it would be tough to compare the two.

 

[manny78]

Sounds as if someone was saying i´m right?

basicallly you're right. Another I should mention which is dangerous: .44 Magnum wade-cutter....

 

[MP5]

ohhhh, one more thing. A vest won't stop rifle rounds, just pistol and shotgun. There is too much energy in a rifle round and it penetrates much deeper. So if a cop gets hit with a rifle they are fucked.

 

[The Shadow]

The most important measurement to determine penetration is kinetic energy.
KE= m(v^2)

the exact same weight bullet,

...this is my point - it may not nesessarily be true that a heavier fmj will have as much stopping power as a lighter hp

 

[manny78]

ohhhh, one more thing. A vest won't stop rifle rounds, just pistol and shotgun. There is too much energy in a rifle round and it penetrates much deeper. So if a cop gets hit with a rifle they are fucked.

true unless you're wearing a Level III or IV, which aren't soft body armor but rather hard plates. A Level IIIA could still stop a .223 hollow from long range. Thats being lucky....

 

[MP5]

I think one of the most under-rated rifle rounds is the 25.06. I cannot imagine getting smoked with that round.

 

[manny78]

What kind of vests to military personel wear? I heard those kinds can stop a 7.62x39 bullet, with that ceramic chest plate in place.

level III or IV usually.

 

[MP5]

7.62x39 is a stubby version of the .308, not a very impressive round.

 

[BigRedCat]

I still have a bunch of 7.62 steel core ammo from years ago. Goes through body armor like a hot knife through butter. Maybe this is a stupid topic for us to be talking about considering there is a serial sniper out there. Just a thought.

Oh yeah, for personal carry handguns, .40 cal is the best and you cannot go wrong with Cor-Bon's or Hyrashok's. The reason allot of cops carry FMJ is beacause they need penetration for use against windows,car doors etc. The hollow points are hella more deadly and safer as far as not killing bystanders. Both Cor-bon's and Hydrashok's are excellent and have a very high 1 shot stop rating. I still have my rhino/razor ammor from back in the day. Cost me 148 bucks for 10 of them. They have little buckshots embedded in a polymer that they use on the space shuttle- when it hits the polymer breaks up and viola! you have several nasty wound cavaties. It was banned right after it came out anyway so I cant really use it.

 

[huntmaster]

I got a glock 17(9mm)

I should've bought a glock 22(40 cal)

Yep --- one of the best on the market---just sold my 22 along with a 31


next purchase---H&K USP Compact .357sig or .40 S&W

 

[casavant]

I think one of the most under-rated rifle rounds is the 25.06. I cannot imagine getting smoked with that round.

Isn't that one of those varmint rifles? I think I've read about it in a Craig Boddington book- don't they zip out at close to 5000fps?

 

[huntmaster]

25-06 is a great round! one of my buddies shoots a 700BDL 25-06

muzzle velocity ranges from around 2800fps to around 3300fps

definitely a great deer round

 

[casavant]

25-06 is a great round! one of my buddies shoots a 700BDL 25-06

muzzle velocity ranges from around 2800fps to around 3300fps

definitely a great deer round

Sweet. Thanks for the info, my Christian brother.

 

[manny78]

lol, I want a vest that will stop a fucking .50! Imagine if you got hit by a .50 and you had a vest that would stop it... I think you would die from the internal bruising/tissue trauma...

a Level IV could stop it from medium to long range..... maybe. But now, try to get your hands on one of this vests, good luck. They're usually sold to military/cops only. They're also heavier and you'll look like a fat bastard wearing that shit. Stay home, it's safer

 

[MP5]

I would like to see a .50 BMG get stopped by a vest. I guess if it did the person would be jelly inside anyway though.

The 25.06, .270, and 30.06 are all built on the 30.06 case. So you have a 25 caliber bullet sitting on a 30.06 case. That thing fucking screams, in the medium caliber class it beats everything. Kind of like the 7 mag, 300 mag, and the 338 mag all are based on the same belted case for the 338.