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Gun control....a light hearted look?
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javaguru
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lollollollll....I'll give you k for service and the A-10's...PICK3 said:We shot a M-16 with a .22 adapter on it. It jammed every 3 or 4 rounds and you raised your hand and the T.I. (AF's version of a D.I.) came and cleared it for you.
You didn't have to qualify ... just get rid of 50 rounds.
We ended up shooting each others targets.
rsnoble-im-back
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I'll kill anyone that tries taking mine and will die in the process. End of story.
PICK3
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PICK3 said:We shot a M-16 with a .22 adapter on it. It jammed every 3 or 4 rounds and you raised your hand and the T.I. (AF's version of a D.I.) came and cleared it for you.
You didn't have to qualify ... just get rid of 50 rounds.
We ended up shooting each others targets.
^^^
this process took about 3 hours on a single day ... never seen a firearm again.
butt when I was an E-4 I often walked around with a briefcase
PICK3
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javaguru said:lollollollll....I'll give you k for service and the A-10's...
I worked on Com/Nav equipment on A-10's for a few years before I cross trained into the challenging "Personnel Specialist" career field.
I typed orders for others to go to war.
I'm a pacifist ... fuck with me and I pass-a-fist across your jaw
javaguru
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You mean fuck up your orders and send you to BFE.....PICK3 said:I worked on Com/Nav equipment on A-10's for a few years before I cross trained into the challenging "Personnel Specialist" career field.
I typed orders for others to go to war.
I'm a pacifist ... fuck with me and I pass-a-fist across your jaw
I just learned how to make youtube videos tonight!
i could hit a paper plate at 500 yards in the marines.PICK3 said:We shot a M-16 with a .22 adapter on it. It jammed every 3 or 4 rounds and you raised your hand and the T.I. (AF's version of a D.I.) came and cleared it for you.
You didn't have to qualify ... just get rid of 50 rounds.
We ended up shooting each others targets.
Grumpy Old Man
Grumpy Old Biker Bastard
Geeez.
PICK3
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javaguru said:
We rarely saluted officers ... they could give a fuck about us.
They lived in their only little world that rarely involved us.
I suspect the gap between Officers/Enlisted is greatest in the AF especially amongst fighter groups that didn't include enlisted on the flight crew.
javaguru
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That's pretty awesome...I got ate mre's for six months just like my officers.PICK3 said:They ate the same food we did (I know from KP while in training).
They just did it in a nicer environment and off of nicer dinnerware.
BTW, chow in the AF was pretty damm good ... even as an E-1 you get your omelet custom made by civilians
javaguru
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I've never heard of anyone having that big an issue before, but it's pretty common for guys to go a week plus without a bowel movement in the field.PICK3 said:I'm serious bro ... don't know what the fuck was going on
I guess it was a combination of nerves and lack of quality time on the throne.
gjohnson5
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It's hard to continually state my opinion on the subject when noone reads the posts nor do thhe read the links that I provide.
Liberty is known as a god given right or a natural right if you follow John Locke or many of the founding father which quote his work. Even though he is the father of classic liberalism , his principals sound more our idea of conservative-ism then liberal-ism
http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php?person=131&Itemid=28
However one needs to read on his views on property and how owning of property (including owning of firearms) is essentially tied to the idea of liberty. Then one needs to examine what the founding fathers did with this idea of property in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution. Basically they shot some holes in individual rights for the betterment of the whole. But to make this more long winded the phrase "pursuit of happiness" comes from John Lock's Concerning Human Understanding as explain in this URL
http://hnn.us/articles/46460.html
The necessity of pursuing happiness [is] the foundation of liberty. As therefore the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness; so the care of ourselves, that we mistake not imaginary for real happiness, is the necessary foundation of our liberty. The stronger ties we have to an unalterable pursuit of happiness in general, which is our greatest good, and which, as such, our desires always follow, the more are we free from any necessary determination of our will to any particular action, and from a necessary compliance with our desire, set upon any particular, and then appearing preferable good, till we have duly examined whether it has a tendency to, or be inconsistent with, our real happiness: and therefore, till we are as much informed upon this inquiry as the weight of the matter, and the nature of the case demands, we are, by the necessity of preferring and pursuing true happiness as our greatest good, obliged to suspend the satisfaction of our desires in particular cases.
But the question remains , why was the word property replaced with the phrase above. Some histories believe it has alot to do with slavery. If some humans are actually "property" of other humans then how can all humans have a natural right to property? Unfortunately the link above clearly shows that the "pursuit of happiness" is not a euphamism for property and this includes slavery. Basically slavery at the time was tied to the economy of the southern states. To abolish slavery and support civil liberties of all meant destroying the economy of the southern states. So to actually agree with Karl Marx, the founding fathers associate The rights to own property and firearms is not a natural right , but a social construct. Hence to protect the rights of the whole over the rights of a few , such protections the founding fathers put in place. Slavery in itself is a destruction of individual liberty and hence I believe there are no individual private property rights (house , firearms) in this country
Liberty is known as a god given right or a natural right if you follow John Locke or many of the founding father which quote his work. Even though he is the father of classic liberalism , his principals sound more our idea of conservative-ism then liberal-ism
http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php?person=131&Itemid=28
However one needs to read on his views on property and how owning of property (including owning of firearms) is essentially tied to the idea of liberty. Then one needs to examine what the founding fathers did with this idea of property in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution. Basically they shot some holes in individual rights for the betterment of the whole. But to make this more long winded the phrase "pursuit of happiness" comes from John Lock's Concerning Human Understanding as explain in this URL
http://hnn.us/articles/46460.html
The necessity of pursuing happiness [is] the foundation of liberty. As therefore the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness; so the care of ourselves, that we mistake not imaginary for real happiness, is the necessary foundation of our liberty. The stronger ties we have to an unalterable pursuit of happiness in general, which is our greatest good, and which, as such, our desires always follow, the more are we free from any necessary determination of our will to any particular action, and from a necessary compliance with our desire, set upon any particular, and then appearing preferable good, till we have duly examined whether it has a tendency to, or be inconsistent with, our real happiness: and therefore, till we are as much informed upon this inquiry as the weight of the matter, and the nature of the case demands, we are, by the necessity of preferring and pursuing true happiness as our greatest good, obliged to suspend the satisfaction of our desires in particular cases.
But the question remains , why was the word property replaced with the phrase above. Some histories believe it has alot to do with slavery. If some humans are actually "property" of other humans then how can all humans have a natural right to property? Unfortunately the link above clearly shows that the "pursuit of happiness" is not a euphamism for property and this includes slavery. Basically slavery at the time was tied to the economy of the southern states. To abolish slavery and support civil liberties of all meant destroying the economy of the southern states. So to actually agree with Karl Marx, the founding fathers associate The rights to own property and firearms is not a natural right , but a social construct. Hence to protect the rights of the whole over the rights of a few , such protections the founding fathers put in place. Slavery in itself is a destruction of individual liberty and hence I believe there are no individual private property rights (house , firearms) in this country
gjohnson5
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Read this:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/fp15.cfm#_ftn1
The decline of property rights. Unfortunately I believe there never was any such rights including the second amendment
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Thought/fp15.cfm#_ftn1
The decline of property rights. Unfortunately I believe there never was any such rights including the second amendment
