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Nice! I am doing 2IU EOD for 2 weeks, then will ramp it up to 3IU EOD for 2 weeks, then ramp it up to 4IU EOD and stick with that till I cycle then ramp up to 6IU EOD.
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Why are you doing it EOD?
XMAN.
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maybe to avoid suppression , like u suggested in 5 on 2 off protocol or 6 on 1 off, i heard alot of ppl doin that and having great results (injecting the double daily dose eod) it will equal the same weekly dose divided differently.
any opinion on that?
I do not believe the supression hype. I have been off and on for years and had blood checks when off and on there is not any unusual decrease in my levels.
XMAN.
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this is something i found on the net posted by Anthony Roberts about the difference between ed and eod injection. (it's the last part of an article on HGH)
Finally, I´ll tell you how I´d take HGH, personally. There was a study done on continuous HGH use vs. every other day injections (ED vs. EOD for the sake of brevity), with a equal total weekly dose. Although it´s counterintuitive, every other day injections produced better total growth in the kids in this (2 and 4 year long) study. Take a look at these graphs:
Growth velocity of children treated with alternate day HGH (the darker bars) or with a daily HGH regimen before, during, and 2 yr after stopping therapy. Values are the mean ± SD. *, P < 0.05; **, P < 0.01.(10)
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Here´s another:
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Pretreatment and cumulative 4-yr growth velocity of children treated with alternate day HGH ( the darker bars) or with a daily HGH regimen. Values are the mean ± SD. *, P < 0.00 (10)
Shooting HGH every other day more accurately replicates the pulsile frequency of HGH, and thus gave better results for growth (height) deficient children, HGH pulsatility is necessary for proper function of the HGH receptor.(10) Dosing in the EOD nature reduces incidence of any sort of withdrawal problems associated with normal HGH use, including regression or retardation of growth after cessation of therapy.
Therefore, I feel very comfortable speculating that the use of HGH in this manner, which more closely simulates the natural secretion pattern of it, allows the HGH receptors and the rest of the body to more efficiently recover from it, and this will result in much more muscle growth over time (although height was examined in the previous study). My recommendations therefore are 2 shots per day of .028iu/kg of bodyweight, taken every other day, for a minimum of 3months, and preferably for 2-3x that long, and preferably with the other synergistic compounds we´ve just taken a look at.
Finally, I´ll tell you how I´d take HGH, personally. There was a study done on continuous HGH use vs. every other day injections (ED vs. EOD for the sake of brevity), with a equal total weekly dose. Although it´s counterintuitive, every other day injections produced better total growth in the kids in this (2 and 4 year long) study. Take a look at these graphs:
Growth velocity of children treated with alternate day HGH (the darker bars) or with a daily HGH regimen before, during, and 2 yr after stopping therapy. Values are the mean ± SD. *, P < 0.05; **, P < 0.01.(10)
IPB Image
Here´s another:
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Pretreatment and cumulative 4-yr growth velocity of children treated with alternate day HGH ( the darker bars) or with a daily HGH regimen. Values are the mean ± SD. *, P < 0.00 (10)
Shooting HGH every other day more accurately replicates the pulsile frequency of HGH, and thus gave better results for growth (height) deficient children, HGH pulsatility is necessary for proper function of the HGH receptor.(10) Dosing in the EOD nature reduces incidence of any sort of withdrawal problems associated with normal HGH use, including regression or retardation of growth after cessation of therapy.
Therefore, I feel very comfortable speculating that the use of HGH in this manner, which more closely simulates the natural secretion pattern of it, allows the HGH receptors and the rest of the body to more efficiently recover from it, and this will result in much more muscle growth over time (although height was examined in the previous study). My recommendations therefore are 2 shots per day of .028iu/kg of bodyweight, taken every other day, for a minimum of 3months, and preferably for 2-3x that long, and preferably with the other synergistic compounds we´ve just taken a look at.
XMAN.
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i know it's not a definitive study , but what about the ppl that tried it eod and swears they got better results than previous ed protocol, what do u think Zyg about eod urself???
bigtbone
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Anyone have the journal reference to this study? There is really no way to determine whether either a child or an adult is deficient due to the pulsitile nature of GH secretion. Even stimulatory testing with clonidine and arginine are very controversial. Most specialists do not even perform stimulatory testing anymore, except where required by insurance companies.
As such, it would be nearly impossible to say the children in the study were GH deficient, only growth deficient. I do think the study raises good questions on how the GH receptor is most optimally stimulated, which is really our question here. This study obviously looked at different end points, however is appears the receptors in children are better stimulated in an eod versus a daily fashion. Again, I would have to read the entire article, but it appears enough to strongly postulate other endpoints, such as that those which interest us, may be better achieved with similar stimulation of the GH receptor as well.
Definately worth a look.
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