LOL you guys are out of control. Anyways, I am not taking them. I refuse to take IP after I saw a buddy get an abscess from their oils. Another friend of mine just started taking the winny pills. He is an idiot though. He is doing six weeks of just winny and he is relatively fat. I told him he will get a bit stronger and lose a little weight if he does cardio and watches his diet but I still think he is wasting his money.