good cycle?

[dhudson8]

I have taken sustanon before a few times and have noticed some very impressive results for myself. I am wanting to possibly try something else that would maybe give me a little more gains or anything that would be an improvement. I am comfortable with sustanon seeing as how i have taken it before, but I'm curious if anyone would recommend something that I could take possibly a stack that would help me build some serious lean muscle. I am already a little bulky and I don't want to primarily focus on mass gaining I would like to lean up and still be able to build some quality muscle. Any suggestions. Also how long is too long to stay on a cycle?

THanks alot.

 

[big greg 82]

sust and deca

sust and eq

length of cycle matters bro. you can do short 6 wkers or nice long 20wkers and more..

 

[dhudson8]

how long is too long though for a cycle?

sust and deca

sust and eq

length of cycle matters bro. you can do short 6 wkers or nice long 20wkers and more..

 

[dhudson8]

its weird but I'm not super hip to all the terms and such with this stuff, I havent' really been involved as much as I should be for what Im taking. I have pretty much lost focus on what I was taking and that was it, so you really lost me with some of the stuff your talking about.
For knowledge... I am taking one injection of sust 250 every other day. (1ml)

 

[dhudson8]

If you continue on with the sus then take it eod to help keep blood levels stable, if you were doing twice a week then your levels were all over the place and you didn't get all that you could have out of 500mg/week test cycle. Those blends initially sound great but are a pain in the ass when it comes to stabilizing blood levels.

To get away from the eod injection use a longer ester single test like cyp or enanthate at 250-300mg 2x a week for 14 weeks and throw in 200mg deca 2x a week for 12 weeks and maybe kickstart the cycle with dbol for the first 4 weeks.

Leaning up has everything to do with diet and cardio.

so if i am understanding correctly you are suggesting to take 300mg of cyp or enanthate for weeks 1-14, take deca 400mg/week week 1-12 and take dbol for week 1-4?
what is EOD?

 

[hd heritage]

every other day

 

[dhudson8]

every other day

so without even knowing it I have been taking the sust the right way to keep my blood levels stable anyways. Thanks

Should I really be taking some sort of anti-estrogen while on this stuff? which would be the best, and is it safe to take sust EOD for as long as 6 months or longer? If I'm stacking it with deca somewhere in those 6 months would that be fine as well?

 

[lifthard2005]

long cycle:

wk 1-13 sustanon @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-10 deca @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-12 eq @ 400-600mg/wk
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed

short:

wk 1-8 prop @ 100mg eod
wk 1-8 npp @ 100mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
no eq under 12 weeks

 

[dhudson8]

If i was to use something that has more or a positive gain like taking both cyp or test ent at the same time, throw in some deca or something there too would this be a good cycle to replace with sust, or if I stay with just sust EOD for 6 months and use deca in there as well for a few weeks would I get the same results?

Thanks, you guys have been great help so far.

 

[rakasha681]

so without even knowing it I have been taking the sust the right way to keep my blood levels stable anyways. Thanks

Should I really be taking some sort of anti-estrogen while on this stuff? which would be the best, and is it safe to take sust EOD for as long as 6 months or longer? If I'm stacking it with deca somewhere in those 6 months would that be fine as well?

Anti-Estrogen? Absolutely. a aromatose inhibitor is very important. for any cycle containing test or its derivatives.

6 months is a LONG time to be poking yourself EOD with sust. From the sounds of it, youve only done maybe one cycle, so staying on for 6 months isnt generally a good idea, 10-12 weeks is a good timeframe for test/deca, maybe 14 weeks. If you want to stay on that long, you would go with a longer acting ester, like EQ, 20wk eq cycles are very common, since EQ doesnt tend to start working until close to 8-10wks in, and is very slow. The length of the cycle is usually determined by what your using, Tren for instance is usually best cycled at 6-8wks. So as you can see, there is no one single answer for "how long is too long for a cycle."

 

[SpyWizard]

long cycle:

wk 1-13 sustanon @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-10 deca @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-12 eq @ 400-600mg/wk
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed

short:

wk 1-8 prop @ 100mg eod
wk 1-8 npp @ 100mg eod
wk 1-4 dbol @ 50mg ed
no eq under 12 weeks

either of these will give alot of mass and strength.. both are good..

but your diet is what will control the ends results...

bet you didn't know you could cut on deca did ya??? yep..

 

[dhudson8]

Actually I am in the middle of my 3rd cycle of sust EOD, my first cycle I did only 6 weeks, and my second cycle was 8-10 weeks long. I noticed great results from my second cycle, but I had some family issues amonst other things that kept me out of the gym for along period of time and I ended up losing the tone I had and some of the muscle strength was lost, I am starting to get my strength back up again and have just started my sust on this cycle. I have only taken 4 vials so far, but we'll see how this goes, I am jsut curious on what anti-estrogen you would take with this cycle and how much of this anti-estrogen is required. I plan on stacking deca and EQ with the sust cycle as well. I have taken dbol also with my sust on the second cycle for 4 weeks, but it did however make me retain a substantial amount of water. I understand that your diet makes a difference, I usually only eat high protein foods when I'm on cycle and my normal diet is pretty good as well. I usually consume alot of eggs and chicken normally so when on cycle i stay pretty much with the same diet, but of course I add protein shakes as well. I do cardio at least 5 times a week for a duration of 30-45 minutes, so the cardio is not an issue. I just want ot make sure that whatever I am going to stack will not cause me to retain lots of water and stop me from keeping the cut I'm looking for even with the cardio involved in my routine.

Thanks alot

 

[dhudson8]

also how long should I wait in between stopping and starting up a new cycle?

Not that Im becoing an addict or anything, but the gym is like an anti-depressant for me. I enjoy working out daily, and I like the results i get from the gym

 

[dhudson8]

-bump-

 

[mono_1]

read the stickies and pct more reading

good luck

 

[genman]

I have taken sustanon before a few times and have noticed some very impressive results for myself. I am wanting to possibly try something else that would maybe give me a little more gains or anything that would be an improvement. I am comfortable with sustanon seeing as how i have taken it before, but I'm curious if anyone would recommend something that I could take possibly a stack that would help me build some serious lean muscle. I am already a little bulky and I don't want to primarily focus on mass gaining I would like to lean up and still be able to build some quality muscle. Any suggestions. Also how long is too long to stay on a cycle?

THanks alot.

What is this infatuation with sust all of the sudden? The prop in sust is minimal and the mixing of the esthers for a full cycle does not make sense to me if you want stable blood levels. I think you would be better off with test e or cyp and kick start with dbol or prop.

Too long is after you cease to make gains. For me 10-12 weeks.

Test e/ eq / tren e, clean diet, you'll love it

 

[big.nad]

im no aas expert by any means, but it doesnt sound as if this guy has the first notion what hes talking about. defs think u should do alot of research b4 doing ur first cycle bro!

 

[dhudson8]

im no aas expert by any means, but it doesnt sound as if this guy has the first notion what hes talking about. defs think u should do alot of research b4 doing ur first cycle bro!

I've done the research. This isnt' my first cycle. I am jst wanting to ask the people that are more seriously into this stuff than I am about their experience and suggestions. If this is wrong of me then maybe this whole forum thing is a waste of time then. That is what the forum is designed for, I'm sure that none of you were experts your first time taking steroids either. I have taken sust which is why I keep taking sust. I know it works for me, and I see no reason at this point to try something different at least not without speaking with other people and hearing about their results on a different product. I have also taken anti-estrogens before with sust, again though I want to hear from anyone who has better results or any results with anti-estrogens. I'm up for other options with this one.

You can read all the info you want on the internet about products and companies swearing up and down about how good it is, but until you hear it or see it from someone who has actually benefited from a product it is all bull to me. I don't believe all the stuff I read, which is why i ask for suggestions. I'm not going to just start poking myself with new stuff without hearing how good some others gained from it. Obviously the first time you try something new you are taking a chance, i just want to limit the odds of it going wrong as much as possible.

I suggest that before you try acting like an ass and telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about, just offer your advice and suggestions on what is asked. Keep your opinions that are not related to my post to yourself.

THANKS ALOT

I just want peoples experience with other supplements and any suggestions about how to get better gains from the proposed cycles that have been included in this thread already.

 

[dhudson8]

read the stickies and pct more reading

good luck

No offense here either, but I'm not a pro bodybuilder. I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week here, at work I don't have the time to spend on the computer reading all day (or I would ) After work I have to MAKE the time to get into the gym and workout, after this I have a wife and children to spend time with. Believe me if I had more time I would read every post on this forum, but I can't. I try to read the ones I can when I have the chance on the computer. I just want to ask help from the ones with the experience and knowledge that are willing to give it. You have invested the time and money into this stuff, therefore you guys on here are the best ones to get the info from.
Thanks

I'm trying to read what I can on here, but time is limited. Sorry If i ask a question that might have already been answered

 

[genman]

I've done the research. This isnt' my first cycle. I am jst wanting to ask the people that are more seriously into this stuff than I am about their experience and suggestions. If this is wrong of me then maybe this whole forum thing is a waste of time then. That is what the forum is designed for, I'm sure that none of you were experts your first time taking steroids either. I have taken sust which is why I keep taking sust. I know it works for me, and I see no reason at this point to try something different at least not without speaking with other people and hearing about their results on a different product. I have also taken anti-estrogens before with sust, again though I want to hear from anyone who has better results or any results with anti-estrogens. I'm up for other options with this one.

You can read all the info you want on the internet about products and companies swearing up and down about how good it is, but until you hear it or see it from someone who has actually benefited from a product it is all bull to me. I don't believe all the stuff I read, which is why i ask for suggestions. I'm not going to just start poking myself with new stuff without hearing how good some others gained from it. Obviously the first time you try something new you are taking a chance, i just want to limit the odds of it going wrong as much as possible.

I suggest that before you try acting like an ass and telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about, just offer your advice and suggestions on what is asked. Keep your opinions that are not related to my post to yourself.

THANKS ALOT

I just want peoples experience with other supplements and any suggestions about how to get better gains from the proposed cycles that have been included in this thread already.

I gave you my opinion and why and I tried to help. Are you sure you're not already on tren? j/k

 

[dhudson8]

From what I have read before test E and test cyp are pretty much the same, what is the gain difference between either if any? I have never read anything about tren, but does it work well and how safe is it?

thanks for you help.
I am only taking sust, because I have used it before and know the results. I am up for other supplements depending on peoples suggestions.

 

[dhudson8]

Test e/ eq / tren e, clean diet, you'll love it

with this that you have mentioned here, how much of each would you take a week and how long of a cycle have you done or would you suggest. Also I'm assuming you have done a cycle like that, so what kind of gains did you notice?

 

[dhudson8]

the deca I have found is 250mg/ml, is this normal for anything you have found? I was reading that the most common was 50mg-100mg/ml, so that seems high for the usual, unless what i'm reading is outdated.

 

[genman]

with this that you have mentioned here, how much of each would you take a week and how long of a cycle have you done or would you suggest. Also I'm assuming you have done a cycle like that, so what kind of gains did you notice?

Test e 500mg/wk 12 wk

eq 400 mg/wk 10 wk

tren e 350 mg/kw last six weeks

 

[dhudson8]

Test e 500mg/wk 12 wk

eq 400 mg/wk 10 wk

tren e 350 mg/kw last six weeks

what kind of gains did you get from this cycle?

would this cycle be better than, sust, deca, d-bol, and EQ cycle?

 

[genman]

what kind of gains did you get from this cycle?

would this cycle be better than, sust, deca, d-bol, and EQ cycle?

I actually ran my tren first part of the cycle. Crazy strength gains and vascularity. I feel that it was a perfect springboard into my cycle and will use it in future cycles. Many run tren last, but I want to finish up with winny instead.

Deca and dbol are rough on me, especially deca. Dbol is a great way to start a cycle because of the strength gains, but it makes my bp go way up.

 

[xrsist]

the deca I have found is 250mg/ml, is this normal for anything you have found? I was reading that the most common was 50mg-100mg/ml, so that seems high for the usual, unless what i'm reading is outdated.

yer bro deca 250 should be sweet. what brand is it?