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Good Article on the "War" On Terror

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Let's just scrap the Bill of Rights

An op-ed by Harry Browne
Published today on WorldNetDaily
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27949

If you pay attention to news about the "War
on Terrorism," you may be a bit confused
about what our government is doing.

One day Mr. Macho tells us we're at war
and we must put up with the intrusions of
liberty that normally accompany war.

The next day we're told this "struggle" may
last beyond our lifetimes (or at least until
after Nov. 2, 2004). But wars usually come
to an end. So this must not be a war.

Then we're told that people captured (no
matter by whom) will be held in military
prisons and tried by military courts. So this
must be a war.

But then we realize it can't be a war, because
the Constitution provides that only Congress
can declare war -- and it hasn't done so. Thus
this must not be a war.

So is it war, or is it Memorex?

Consistency

It's neither. It's simply whatever the
president chooses to call it on any given
day. They're making up the rules as they go
along. The only consistency is the constant
invocation of the power of the president to
do whatever he wants.

Just as the shredding of the Constitution
has put us at the mercy of congressmen who
spend our money for whatever they choose, so
the "War on Terrorism" has put us at the
mercy of the Bush administration -- which
does whatever it wants in the name of
"national security."

Whatever the politicians choose to call it
on any given day, they keep acting as though
the country is at war with some foreign power.
But since that foreign power isn't located in
any specific part of the world, our government
feels free to attack anyone it wants, anywhere
it wants, anytime it wants -- and call it a
"preemptive" strike against terrorists and
terrorist states.

Proof?

The government never provides any evidence to
support its claims that some country is a
proper target of attack.

Realize that virtually everything you know
about the "War on Terrorism" and virtually
everything you hear in the news emanates --
without proof -- from the same politicians who
lie to us regularly about budget surpluses and
program reductions.

In effect, we're supposed to believe
everything they tell us -- even though in
any other situation we consider them generally
to be deceiving, self-aggrandizing,
power-hungry hypocrites.

Wartime exceptions?

We're told that the usual constitutional rules
don't apply because the country is at war. We
must put up with invasions of civil liberties
-- and we must allow the politicians to vote
for boondoggles and trust that some part of
what they appropriate will actually make the
country safer.

But while some constitutional provisions do
mention exceptions, there are no exceptions
specified for wartime.

In fact, one reason we have the Constitution
is to protect us from politicians at times of
greatest danger.

If it's important that they obey the
Constitution when appropriating money, how
much more important it is that they obey the
Constitution when our lives are at stake?!

Bill of Rights

For the past 140 years, the politicians have
been tearing down the Constitution -- bit
by bit.

In early 2001, the only part of the
Constitution that still provided any protection
for us was the Bill of Rights. Even with
outrages such as asset forfeiture and no-knock
warrants, most accused Americans still enjoyed
the ability to confront witnesses against them,
a right to a speedy trial by jury, and
protection from cruel and unusual punishment.

But no more. Apparently, the Bill of Rights is
a luxury Americans can no longer afford.

At least that's the way George Bush, Dick
Cheney and John Ashcroft see it.

They've locked up Jose Padilla and thrown away
the key. No attorney, no charges against him,
no trial, no plans for a trial.

Should we care?

But who cares? After all, he's a terrorist,
isn't he?

Is he? How do we know that?

Because the politicians told us so.

The reason we have a Bill of Rights is to
guarantee an open trial at which the evidence
is available for all to see -- rather than
depending on the assurances of politicians who
have already proven to be untrustworthy.

What happens if one of those super-efficient
FBIor CIA agents decides you are a terrorist?
You might go to a military prison. No right to
see an attorney -- or even your family. No trial.
And probably no guarantee you won't be tortured.

But you're innocent!

How are you going to prove it if you can't speak
to anyone but the people who arrested you?

Is this the kind of America you want to live in?
 
see i like being dumbed down to politics so that every once in a while i get an eye opening article like this that makes me slap my forehead and shake my head and be like "my god man, I can't beelieve it".
 
Excellent article frack. Thanks for posting it up.
 
bumpola

nice read
 
bumpola

nice read
 
Frackal said:

In effect, we're supposed to believe
everything they tell us -- even though in
any other situation we consider them generally
to be deceiving, self-aggrandizing,
power-hungry hypocrites.


Excellent.
 
This must stay bumped.......

Excellant article so god damn true.....People in this country better start waking up!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well the War on Drugs is one thing.. I don't think personal use of drugs should be illegal.. People who steal and kill to get drugs and money are the problem, not the drugs.

But as far as the war on terrorism, I support it, whatever it is. It is obvious that many people have sworn death to all Americans. Go watch the Daniel Pearl video and have yourself a nice wake up call. The bill of rights and constitution are essential and ideal, but when you are dealing with terrorists some rules do get thrown out the door. I'd rather them fuck 100 terrorists and accidentally fuck 1 innocent person.. then to let 99 terrorists do as they will and only catch one.. why? Because those 99 are going to kill thousands.

With the current rights and laws we have its EASY to committ crimes.. you can do nearly anything and not get caught if you are stupid.. with a little intelligence and money you can get away with ANYTHING....get it.. ANYTHING. Fortunately the typical US criminal is worried about getting money.. or drugs.. or individual revenge.. not slaying THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of Americans.. with no regard for their own life.

There should be no tolerance for countries that support fundamental groups that believe suicide bombing is a legitimate way of conveying their point.

Brian
 
my rights, my rights. All of you are tools!

That spic had just gotten off a fuckin plane flight from Pakistan, our government does have evidence and they wont make it public to help conceal sources who are providing them with this valuable info. Thousands of lives are at stake, you and i have no fuckin clue whats going on with this war so don't act like you do.

I wonder frackal if you would feel differently if you lived in a major city and your father and loved ones all worked in sky scrappers. So typical coming from some liberal, high school educated boy who lives in a broken home/trailer park that is in some concealed part of town that society wants nothing to do with. Don't worry dude, your not gonna be in harms way... or will your rights be violated cause gnc or kfc is not a terrorist target and our government doesn't give a rats ass about trash like yourself as long as you continue to serve your insignificant role in society.
 
Bullshit article written by another Liberal lapdog. Everyone should carefully read CAGED whiteman's response.

All kinds of loose talk flying around about scrapping the Constitution but there is NO evidence of anything like it. Anyway, since when did the Liberals care about the Constiutution? To them, it is an annoyance that gets in the way of the perfect world they could build for all of us if only they could dispense with that pesky document.
 
Hangfire said:

All kinds of loose talk flying around about scrapping the Constitution but there is NO evidence of anything like it. Anyway, since when did the Liberals care about the Constiutution? To them, it is an annoyance that gets in the way of the perfect world they could build for all of us if only they could dispense with that pesky document.


Realistically, when do liberals violate the bill of rights? the only amendments i can think of are the 1st (with P.C.) and 2nd (with gun control). Conservatives violate the 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th.

The purpose of organizations like the ACLU is to protect freedom of speech when no one else wants to, like right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1766000/1766038.stm

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=300063

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...m/20020606/wl_nm/rights_britain_robinson_dc_1
 
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Caged whiteman,

You fat, whiny racist fuck. This article was written by one of the more prominent LIBERTARIAN party members.

I have zero respect for some white male pussy who is constantly whining because he's 'caged' by liberal minorities or whatever your excuse for being a failure in life is.

And you want to speak of white trash? You are the classic stereotype of that group my friend.

And I live in within a few minutes of downtown denver, and I have family living right in the heart of the city.

What you are obviously far too dim to comprehend is, once you start eroding away our general rights to protect us from some percieved threat, you open the door for abuse of power against everyone, not just these accused terrorists. What's funny is you are obviously too blinded or just plain fuckin stupid to see this....

And since when has increasing government spending, size and power done anything for us other than clamp a tighter vice-grip around our lives?

I realize it's pointless to try and get through to you, but perhaps one day, in the middle of jacking off to one of Dubya's speaches, you'll realize that just because someone doesnt blindly follow the conservatives, that doesnt make him a liberal. It makes him a thinker, a concept that is obviously far from your limited grasp.
 
Frackal said:



In effect, we're supposed to believe
everything they tell us -- even though in
any other situation we consider them generally
to be deceiving, self-aggrandizing,
power-hungry hypocrites.


This is true.
 
good article frackal. good respose to CWM too. he's obviously angry he's now a minority, by that i mean someone with so much hatred fueled by his own fear and ignorance.
 
Frackal said:

What you are obviously far too dim to comprehend is, once you start eroding away our general rights to protect us from some percieved threat, you open the door for abuse of power against everyone, not just these accused terrorists. What's funny is you are obviously too blinded or just plain fuckin stupid to see this....




Hell yes. what it takes to be labeled a terrorist will probably become more & more laxed with each passing year. Fuck, in the last 9 months i have heard

Drug users
Stalkers
Child molesting priests
street criminals
computer hackers


All get labeled as 'terrorists', either 'network terrorist', 'terrorist funder', 'domestic terrorist', etc.
 
some of you fuckers just don't get the point....


Just because the Bush admin labels somebody a terrorist we are supposed to take that as 100% true???? Maybe this Padilla guy had some info on election tampering by Bush. How the hell would we know any different??? We wouldn't cuz nobody has any access to him....

Whats to stop the govt from arresting any of YOU and throwing you in a milltary brig with no due process???? NOTHING!!!!!!
 
Ah the true world just revealed itself, pure authoritarian regimes like the one I like


bring back the USSR :bawling:
 
Hangfire said:
Bullshit article written by another Liberal lapdog. Everyone should carefully read CAGED whiteman's response.

All kinds of loose talk flying around about scrapping the Constitution but there is NO evidence of anything like it. Anyway, since when did the Liberals care about the Constiutution? To them, it is an annoyance that gets in the way of the perfect world they could build for all of us if only they could dispense with that pesky document.

Um, Harry Browne was a Libertarian candidate for president. Libertarians' ENTIRE argument is built around strict readings of the Constitution.

I don't agree with them typically -- for example their usual positions on regulation of health care, guns and access to drugs -- but this particular essay has the virtue of a Constitutional argument that coincidentally pays attention to present reality.
 
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