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Going to get a Dog- Dobie or Boxer?

I have a Warlock Doberman. He is about 135 right now. This is big for a Doberman.

I can tell you this.. if you do not have a BIG yard.. and alot of time to spend with a dog, do not get a Doberman.
 
135!!!!! Fuck thats big for a doberman.

I've never seen one mabey even half that, but then again I have'nt seen alot of dobermans.

I got a boxer pup a little over a week ago, hes about 9 weeks old and he weighs 22 lbs.

He's at the vet now getting his ears clipped
 
i have BOTH... well, the boxers are my mom's mutts.. i have a female dobe... also a warlock (supposedly)... she's a 90lb female which is a big ass bitch... considering most male dobes are lighter than her (warlocks not included)...

she's my 2nd dobe, i will never own another breed but i will also agree... YOU BETTER HAVE TIME, ENERGY, AND A YARD!!! the reward is very much worth it... this dog will be loyal to you till the end...

my first one was so special i have a tat that is a reminder of her... my heart broke the day she died.
 
mine is a Warlock Doberman. He is grey and tan. Does not look like your average Dobe. He is very stocky.. and has a huge chest.

I live on almost 400 acres of land. So he runs all day and night. These dogs need ALOT of spce and exercise. They also need ALOT of attention. At least 3-5 hours perday. If you cannot give that.. get a diffrent breed.. cause these will get very destructive.
 
ya, if they arent active they like to pacify themselves... my last one had her blanket.. she'd just ball it up and suck on it like a baby... this one licks herself when she is bored.

definitely get your dogs to interact as pups, my dog LOVES to play with any dog possible... uh, she actually just walked up to me and gave me that look... "take me out now"... so i'm off for a bit.
 
I have a boxer too. If you have the time and energy, I recommend them. So much fun...all the time.
 
Id go with a Dobie..

I had a doberman when I was young, he was my dads girlfriends dog and was a show dog before I had him. . He was very protective and not too good with other dogs, but was a softie around any kids or women.

We were living in a condo and he didnt have too much room to run, id take him to a field to run around as ofter as possible tho. Generally there were no problems about him being destructive either.. As he got older he started to have hip problems.
 
Dawookie said:


We were living in a condo and he didnt have too much room to run, ..... As he got older he started to have hip problems.
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hmmmmmmmmm
 
ya, and one more thing... they can have some heart problems... and if they do, it will rip your heart right out.... and you will NEVER be the same.
 
i love my boxer, its like having a furry little baby running around all the time, stuck up little dog, but i would die without her
 
Personally I like the look of a Doberman much better, but they are not a very intelligent breed (can be good, can be bad).

Personally I prefer rotweilers because they are one of the smarter breeds (the smartest is the Standard Poodle.. the German Shepard is also up there)
 
Lestat said:
Personally I like the look of a Doberman much better, but they are not a very intelligent breed (can be good, can be bad).

Personally I prefer rotweilers because they are one of the smarter breeds (the smartest is the Standard Poodle.. the German Shepard is also up there)
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My Dobe can outsmart my Rotweiler anyday. What do you mean Dobermans are not a smart breed? Alot of books on those dogs state otherwise. Did you have a dumb one? I guess every breed has a few slow learners.. but I was always told Dobermans are one of the smartest dogs.
 
dballer said:
mine is a Warlock Doberman. He is grey and tan. Does not look like your average Dobe. He is very stocky.. and has a huge chest.

I live on almost 400 acres of land. So he runs all day and night. These dogs need ALOT of spce and exercise. They also need ALOT of attention. At least 3-5 hours perday. If you cannot give that.. get a diffrent breed.. cause these will get very destructive.
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you got anything for that bad boy
to chase around those 400 acres???:)
 
dobes are not smart??? hahahahaha... you might wanna start calling around and letting people know that.

in EVERY book i've read it says they are the 6th smartest breed.. they base it on training ability... but the ones that dont train easily are probably even smarter.... they train you!!!

rotts usually rank about 10th on the list.. 100th is the afghan dog.. you know, that ugly shaggy thing.. just so ya know..

boxers vs. dobes in smarts... its a tough call, since i have both i'd say the dobe is smarter but they are similar... hell, they both open doors, one with the paws (boxer) and one with her nose (dobe)... AND IT DRIVES ME FUCKING CRAZY!!!!
 
ROTTWEILER. NUFF SAID.

MAKE SURE YOU GET A GOOD BLOODLINE THOUGH.



KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:
ROTTWEILER. NUFF SAID.

MAKE SURE YOU GET A GOOD BLOODLINE THOUGH.



KAYNE
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actually, that's too much.. considering that wasnt an option for the guy.
 
madbomber31 said:


actually, that's too much.. considering that wasnt an option for the guy.
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I WAS ILLUSTRATING MY POINT THAT HE SHOULD GO WITH A ROTT. I.E......HE SHOULD CHANGE HIS MIND IMO. BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION.

BTW...HOW DID THOSE EAGLES DO THIS WEEK??? LMAO.


KAYNE
 
damn, I didn't expect to see so many replies. The reason a dobie was one of my choices is because my dad had one and it was the greatest dog. I can almost cry right now thinking of the night he died. So sad to loose a loved one like that, they are more than just pets/animals thier family. I don't have a big back yard though. I will love to take him to the beach or park and let him get some exercise. Do dobie's like water? My dad's would swim with us if we were but I could tell he didn't really like it. Boxer was my second choice cause I hear they are great dogs as well. I will never own a Rot...every one I've known has been dumber than shit and has had no personality. Don't take that as a blow to you I'm just speaking from what I've experienced with them. So what should I look for when buying and what should I expect to pay for either? I think I'm leaning more towards the Boxer. I would prefer a male I think - I feel they have more personality.
 
SOLID said:
I will never own a Rot...every one I've known has been dumber than shit and has had no personality.
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CORNHOLIO, DO YOU CARE TO REBUTTLE THIS OR SHOULD I???


KAYNE
 
dballer said:
I have a Warlock Doberman. He is about 135 right now. This is big for a Doberman.

I can tell you this.. if you do not have a BIG yard.. and alot of time to spend with a dog, do not get a Doberman.
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Dballer, bro, I saw your post, and as an avid Dobe lover and Dobe owner I feel responsible to tell you, THERE IS NO SUCH BREED AS A WARLOCK DOBERMAN. Do a search for "warlock doberman" on any search engine, and here is what you'll find:

These are all traits and qualities that are necessary for a guard dog that needs to be able to
maneuver to protect and pursue, if necessary. The bigger the Doberman, the less maneuverability and quickness. Also, many of these so called "Warlock" Dobermans were actually offspring of Dobermans bred to Great Danes
or Dobermans bred to Rottweilers---and not purebred Dobermans at all.

There was a Doberman male in the 1960's named Ch. Borong the Warlock. He was a very famous Doberman and
many breeders bred their females to him. He had many offspring. Some reputable breeders that had
this male in the pedigree of their good Dobermans advertised as having "Warlock" bloodlines. The "BYB" or BACKYARD BREEDERS, which are the ones that don't care about anything except making a quick "dollar" off
of a litter of popular breed puppies, realized that this was a selling point for the good Dobermans that
reputable breeders were producing and started using the phrase "Warlock" Dobermans to be synonymous with
good Dobermans. The "term" became something that backyard breeders used to advertise their puppies. They
used "Warlock" to mean better bloodlines, better Dobermans, bigger & better watchdogs---and so the term
has been used for the last 20 years to basically mean a huge or giant sized Doberman---a rare and
expensive kind of Doberman.

There are breeders today that continue to advertise to the public about having "Warlock" Dobermans. People think they are RARE, SPECIAL, MORE VALUABLE AND PAY LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY for these Dobermans.
Please be advised---there is no such thing as a Warlock Doberman---other than what an
exploiter or backyard breeder makes up.

The "WARLOCK" is a GIMMICK used to sell puppies. NO REPUTABLE BREEDER WOULD EVER
ADVERTISE THEIR PUPPIES OR ADULTS AS "WARLOCKS". It is a MYTH and GIMMICK
to sell Dobermans to the unsuspecting "PUBLIC". BEWARE of any breeder, advertisement or
kennel that advertises "WARLOCK" Dobermans.
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So whoever told you that it's normal for a true dobe to get to that size, you've been duped. sorry bro, that's the truth. My last male was one of the biggest dobies I had ever seen and he weighed 101 pounds in his prime. Unless the dog is fat as hell, you'll never see a dobe that heavy. Well, not a real one at least..... As far as the purpose for this post, obviously, my choice is the dobe, best dogs around IMO...
 
FLASHMAN1 said:


Dballer, bro, I saw your post, and as an avid Dobe lover and Dobe owner I feel responsible to tell you, THERE IS NO SUCH BREED AS A WARLOCK DOBERMAN. Do a search for "warlock doberman" on any search engine, and here is what you'll find:



So whoever told you that it's normal for a true dobe to get to that size, you've been duped. sorry bro, that's the truth. My last male was one of the biggest dobies I had ever seen and he weighed 101 pounds in his prime. Unless the dog is fat as hell, you'll never see a dobe that heavy. Well, not a real one at least..... As far as the purpose for this post, obviously, my choice is the dobe, best dogs around IMO...
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I lost all the pictures of the dog. but I will scan them aggain.

This dog was bought through a breeder in Germany called Warlock. The dog is a Doberman Pinscher bred from a breeder called Warlock. People use this term the same way they do with the Camaros that were bought from Don Yenko during the late 60's. People call them Yenko Camaros. Chevy never built a Yenko Camaro.. but it is just a way of saying I do not have some plain ass weak car. I refer to is as a Warlock because he does not look like a average Doberman. He is not brown and black. He is grey and tan.

Also are you telling me my dog does not weigh what I said he does? Maybe you did not feed your dogs properly. Shall I get someone who has witnessed my dogs in person to tell you about them?
 
dballer said:


I lost all the pictures of the dog. but I will scan them aggain.

This dog was bought through a breeder in Germany called Warlock. The dog is a Doberman Pinscher bred from a breeder called Warlock. People use this term the same way they do with the Camaros that were bought from Don Yenko during the late 60's. People call them Yenko Camaros. Chevy never built a Yenko Camaro.. but it is just a way of saying I do not have some plain ass weak car. I refer to is as a Warlock because he does not look like a average Doberman. He is not brown and black. He is grey and tan.

Also are you telling me my dog does not weigh what I said he does? Maybe you did not feed your dogs properly. Shall I get someone who has witnessed my dogs in person to tell you about them?
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I'm not at all saying that your dog doesn't weigh that much at all... what I AM saying, is either your dog is a DIRECT descendent of that dog I mentioned (unlikely) or it's not a purebred dobie... True Dobes come in three color combinations: black with tan/brown markings, red with tan/brown markings, and the famous blue dobie (rare, but you can get one). If your dog is grey, odds are he was at some point in the bloodline, mixed with a great dane. I'm not doubting your dog being that size, but I am doubting that he is pure Dobe.

p.s. just an FYI, the Yenko Camaro WAS in fact, a production car from Chevrolet in 1969. Don't take my word for it, here's the link...
http://formen.ign.com/news/17577.html

here's a quote:
The 1969 Yenko Camaro

Strouse takes an uncharacteristically reverent glance at GM’s finest first-gen F-body.

April 5, 2000


Don Yenko never had Carroll Shelby’s gift for salesmanship or his knack for innovation. He was just a plain old car salesman out of Cannonsburg, Pennsylvania, a good tinker with a good eye and a need for speed. He also had the good luck to be a Chevrolet salesman in 1969, just when Chevy’s Central Office Production Program (COPO) introduced code 9561—factory authorization for the introduction of the 427 L-72 COPO Camaro, a lightning quick pony car with a one-year only, aluminum big block V8. Somewhere around 500 cars of these cars were produced, 201 of which made their way into Don Yenko’s greedy hands. The consequence of this marriage—the Yenko Camaro, exists today in legend, history and in the hands of a few lucky collectors and the rare bewildered farmer who doesn’t know just what he’s got settin’ in the barn
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After reading that site my dog "might" fit into the blue class. I will scan a pic of him and let you see him. I cannot argue with breeders about size. That is not my profession.. and I can admit I may be wrong. This dog would not pass in one of the shows.. if the average is 100 pounds. The dog is not bigger bones. He has ALOT more muscle than a regular Doberman. ALOT more. (no.. I am not giving him roids)

Now..

here is how a Yenko Camaro is not a production car.

Don Yenko painted those cars and had a custon interior put in each. Now they did have a service offered through Chevrolet called "COPO" this stands for Central Office Production Order.

Yenko ordered them.. and finished them himself at the dealership. He did this with Chevelles and Novas too. A guy in Witchita Ks. Could not go to the local dealer and get a Yenko Camaro. He had to go through Don Yenko.

The car itself.. was mass produced. The motor made it a COPO.. and the final touches made it a Yenko.
 
upon further reading, I agree with you about the Yenko, but I still consider it "sort of" a production car because all of the modifications were sanctioned by Chevrolet and done at the Chevy Dealer that Don Yenko owned.

But on the Dobie issue, if you can't enter the dog in an AKC show as a pure breed, then it's not a true doberman. I know a few people who have Albino Dobies, and even though there is not another breed in the mix, these dogs are STILL not considered purebred dobies... The Warlock Doberman is not a breed, it's more of a nickname that back yard breeders stole and began to use to make thier dogs sound better...

If you think your dog is a blue, and his color is grey, then he's not a blue. Blue dobermans appear almost black, even in the sun until you get up close. The tell-tale factor in spotting a blue is when you run your hand against the grain of thier hair slowly, you'll see that thier SKIN is actually a very light shade of blue, but thier hair is actually almost black.....
 
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KAYNE said:


CORNHOLIO, DO YOU CARE TO REBUTTLE THIS OR SHOULD I???


KAYNE
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lol


Two things:

1 - You made the mistake of looking for size over temprament

2 - Too much inbreeding.



My Rottis smarter than most humans I know and has his own personality traits such as wiping his feet b-4 he comes inside ther house when it's raining and he will come find you if you are in another room and grab your hand in his mouth nad lead you to where he thinks you should be??


Dumb and no personailty - don't think so
 
Flashman.. if your dogs teeth and markings are not perfect it will not win a show.
 
dballer said:
Flashman.. if your dogs teeth and markings are not perfect it will not win a show.
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You're absolutely right.... But also, if your dog is not recognized as a purebred, it won't even be allowed to ENTER the contest. The "warlock" like the albino dobe, the albino shepherd, and so on, are not recognized as pure bred dogs.....
 
So can you enter a French Mastiff even though they are really called a Dogue de Bordeaux?
 
yes, but you'd enter it as a bordeaux... they're a registered breed.... The more reading I do, the more I see where this Warlock thing plays out... The Warlock name is now widely used to describe ANY doberman that is of above average size.... but only by breeders that are looking to impress people with thier dogs' size. Is yours a fawn??? if he's fawn, then odds are, if you go back far enough in his pedigree, you'll almost surely find some great dane in there somewhere... Bro, don't take this wrong, I'm sure your dog is beautiful. I love ALL dobes, (even the white ones), I just didn't want people to look at you like you're mental when you're talking to someone who really knows dobes and you start telling them you have a "warlock" doberman... Nowadays, it seems to mean nothing but "big"

Either way, the Doberman will always be my favorite breed of dog. The combination of thier intelligence, great nose, menacing look, and undying loyalty makes them one of an elite few breeds of pets and protectors. The others that fall into that category, IMO, are the German Shepherd, and the Rottweiler. I personally don't prefer the rotts because of the slobber factor lol, but that's thier only drawback IMO...
 
kronk said:
Miniature Pincher
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lol. If I was going to get a small dog I was actually thinking about one of those. Do these dogs bark alot? I can't stand a dog that barks constantly.
 
Cornholio said:


lol


Two things:

1 - You made the mistake of looking for size over temprament

2 - Too much inbreeding.



My Rottis smarter than most humans I know and has his own personality traits such as wiping his feet b-4 he comes inside ther house when it's raining and he will come find you if you are in another room and grab your hand in his mouth nad lead you to where he thinks you should be??


Dumb and no personailty - don't think so
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LIAR!!!.....YOUR DOG IS DUMB AND HAS NO PERSONALITY JUST LIKE MINE. IT IS TRUE CUZ HE SAID SO. LOL (JK SOLID)


MY DOG DOES SOME CRAZY SHIT AS WELL. LIKE WHEN HIS FOOD BOWL GETS EMPTY, HE'LL PICK THAT BITCH UP AND BRING IT TO ME TILL I FILL IT UP AGAIN. IF I DONT, HE WILL CHEW IT UP. HE ALSO KNOWS HIS LEFT FROM HIS RIGHT. BUT HE KNOWS THEM IN REVERSE...THATS HOW I TAUGHT HIM NOT REALIZING IT. WHEN I SAY GIVE MY YOUR RIGHT PAW, UP COMES THE LEFT AND VICE VERSA. LOL.


KAYNE


KAYNE
 
MY DOG ALSO HAS A TASTE FOR EXPENSIVE SHIT. TAKE FOR INSTANCE CHEESE. HE LOVES SLICED CHEESE. I THOUGHT I WOULD BE SLICK AND GET HIM THE CHEAP STUFF AND KEEP THE GOOD STUFF FOR US. HE LOOKS AT ME LIKE I'M STUPID UNTIL I GIVE HIM THE GOOD SHIT. WONT EAT THE CHEAP SHIT.


KAYNE
 
my Doberman will eat anything.. but the Rott will only eat red meat. It is weird.. if you have a bag of fries from McDonalds.. he will not even get up for it.
 
crazy animals...I want one so bad. I'm sorry if I offended you about the rott statement guys. actually I've only known 2 one was stupid and the other was stupid's offspring. I'm sure they make great dogs and are just a smart as any other mentioned above. I think a huge part of it has to do with the owner and how much you exercise the animals brain. So, if you can recommend the best dog for what I'm looking for I'd appreciate it.

1. short hair
2. very loving, affectionate, playful, and loyal
3. protective
4. not overly rambunctious or high energy- I mean overly- I don't want a lazy dog either just one that can relax when it's time too.
5. Not a barker
 
SOLID said:
So, if you can recommend the best dog for what I'm looking for I'd appreciate it.

1. short hair
2. very loving, affectionate, playful, and loyal
3. protective
4. not overly rambunctious or high energy- I mean overly- I don't want a lazy dog either just one that can relax when it's time too.
5. Not a barker
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