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lanky

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just a little fun post
Objectives
1) To determine if a single immersion of tilapia fry in trenbolone acetate results in masculinization.
2) To determine the growth performance of trenbolone acetate-immersed tilapia.
3) To determine how long trenbolone acetate persists in the water and treatment container.

Significance
Masculinization of tilapia fry by dietary treatment with anabolic steroids such as 17a-methyltestosterone (MT) is common in aquaculture (Green et al., 1997); however, other methods for masculinization of tilapia such as immersion in steroid-containing solutions are not well developed. In CRSP experiments conducted for the Eighth Work Plan, MT feeding was shown to result in the persistence of MT in soil for at least several weeks after the end of treatment. Such MT in the pond environment may pose a health risk to workers and exposure risk to other organisms, including fish, in the pond environment.

The use of immersion technology has the advantage that the steroid solution in contained within the treatment vessel, and thus can be easily processed. In previous CRSP experiments, Gale et al. (1995) demonstrated that two 3-hr immersions of tilapia fry in a solution containing 17a-methyldihydrotestosterone (MDHT) resulted in masculinized populations—a significant breakthrough in the development of short-term immersion technology for tilapia. In the Eighth Work Plan, we found that masculinization of tilapia can be achieved by a single 2-hr immersion in either MDHT or trenbolone acetate; however, single immersions have not achieved greater than 90% male populations (the minimum considered necessary to achieve the benefits of growing masculinized populations) which suggests that better results can be attained by improving treatment timing or dose. The proposed work will examine if single immersion in trenbolone acetate can result in greater than 90% masculinization. In addition, the fate of trenbolone acetate in the treatment container will be determined by measuring its persistence in water. Trenbolone acetate has been selected because of recent favorable statements from the Food and Drug Administration regarding its use in aquaculture.

Anticipated Benefits
Development of techniques for masculinization through immersion in trenbolone acetate-containing solutions may provide aquaculturists with a safe and cost effective alternative to treating fry with food that contains MT, because immersion will require substantially shorter exposure periods and the steroid will be contained for controlled filtration or biodegradation.

Experimental Design
Previous experiments in our laboratory have demonstrated that the percentage of male tilapia produced by immersion in trenbolone acetate was 90% if treated on Days 10 and 13 post-fertilization, and 80% if treated on Day 13, but there was no significant masculinization if they were treated on Day 10. Therefore, to address Objective 1, an experiment will be conducted to determine if a single immersion in trenbolone acetate at 12, 13, 14, or 15 days post-fertilization is as effective for masculinization as the two day exposure or feeding MT. Based on the results of this experiment, a second experiment will examine the level of masculinization achieved by a single immersion on the most effective day in 100, 500, and 1000 µg/L of trenbolone acetate. To address the second objective, the most effective treatment conditions (day and dose) will be used to masculinize tilapia fry and then after removal of the fry, the water will be sampled at 1, 2, 4, and 7 days (and every 7 days thereafter until disappearance) after treatment for measurement of trenbolone acetate.

Experiment A: Effect of treatment timing and dose on masculinization with trenbolone acetate
Site: lankys house

Laboratory Facilities: lankys aquarium—two aquaria containing a total of two males and six females for production of fry, 3.7 L chambers (containing 3 L of dechlorinated oxygenated water for steroid treatment), 75 L tanks for grow-out.

Culture Period: 60 days for offspring.

Stocking Rate: 100 fry/container.

Water Management: Water temperature will be maintained at 28-30°C.

Other Inputs: none

Test Species: Nile tilapia (Oreochromis niloticus), Ivory Coast strain.

Sampling Plan: The first phase of the experiment consists of groups of fry immersed in trenbolone acetate at 500 µg/L for 3 hr on 12, 13, 14, or 15 days post-fertilization (dpf), or fry immersed in ethanol vehicle (previous experiments have shown that there is no difference in the sex ratios of fish exposed to the ethanol vehicle and untreated fry). All treatments will be triplicated. On the treatment date, the fry will be carefully netted from their container and then placed in a new container that contains either trenbolone acetate dissolved in ethanol or the ethanol vehicle (Days 12 and 15 only). After treatment, the fry will be returned to clean water. After one week, the fry will be transferred to the grow-out tanks.

In the second phase of the experiment, groups of fry will be immersed on the optimal masculinization day (determined in the first phase) in trenbolone acetate at 100, 250, 500, or 750 µg/L, or ethanol vehicle for 3 hr. All treatments will be triplicated. On the treatment date, fry will be carefully netted and then placed in a separate container that contains either trenbolone acetate dissolved in ethanol or the ethanol vehicle. After treatment, the fry will be returned to clean water. After one week in the jars, the fry will be transferred to the grow-out tanks.

Water quality parameters will be measured daily (pH, temperature) or weekly (ammonia, nitrates, and dissolved oxygen). At 60 dpf, the tilapia will be killed to determine the sex ratios.

Statistical Methods and Hypotheses: H01: Sex ratios of tilapia in groups treated with a single immersion in trenbolone acetate do not differ from controls. H02: Sex ratios of tilapia do not differ between groups immersed in trenbolone acetate on different days. H03: Sex ratios of tilapia do not differ between groups immersed in trenbolone acetate at different doses. Sex ratios will be compared between MT-fed and control groups by Chi-squared test.

Deliverables: A technical report and possibly a journal article.

Schedule: Data collection, technical report,

Experiment B: Growth performance of trenbolone acetate-immersed tilapia
Site: Oregon State University, Corvallis, OR


Note: Experimental Design of Experiment B has been revised. See Addendum to the Ninth Work Plan
Note: Schedule of Experiment B has been revised. See Addendum to the Ninth Work Plan

Laboratory Facilities: lankys aquarium—two aquaria containing a total of two males and six females for production of fry, 3.7 L chambers (containing 3 L of dechlorinated oxygenated water for steroid treatment), 75 L tanks for grow-out.

Culture Period: 180 days for offspring.

Stocking Rate: 100 fry/container.

Water Management: Water temperature will be maintained at 28-30°C.

Other Inputs: none

Test Species: Nile tilapia (Oreochromis niloticus), Ivory Coast strain.

Sampling Plan: Based on the results of experiment 1, groups of fry will immersed in trenbolone acetate at the optimal time and concentration, fed MT at 60 mg/kg food for 28 days beginning at the onset of feeding, or left untreated (a preliminary experiment will determine if untreated fish grow comparably to fish immersed in ethanol vehicle or fed with ethanol-treated food). Each treatment and control group will be triplicated. After 28 days in the start-up containers, all groups will be transferred to 75 L tanks and grown for another 5 months. Every month, 20 fish from each tank will be anesthetized, weighed, measured for length, and then returned to the rearing tanks (densities will be equalized to adjust for mortality). At the end of 6 months, all fish will be sampled for weight, length, and sex.

Water quality parameters will be measured daily (pH, temperature) or weekly (ammonia, nitrates, and dissolved oxygen).

Statistical Methods and Hypotheses: H01: There is no difference between treatment groups in the growth rate of tilapia. H02: Sex ratios of tilapia do not differ between groups. Weight and length data will be compared between treatment and control groups by analysis of variance. Sex ratios will be compared between groups by Chi-squared test.

Deliverables: A technical report and possibly a journal article.

Schedule: Data collection, 4/99-10/99; technical report, 12/99.

Study C: Detection of trenbolone acetate in water after treatment


Site: lankys house/laboratory and delaware river in NJ


Note: Schedule of Experiment C has been revised. See Addendum to the Ninth Work Plan

Laboratory Facilities: lankys laboratory/fishtank—two aquaria containing a total of two males and six females for production of fry, 3.7 L chambers (containing 3 L of dechlorinated oxygenated water; Waters 660E Multisolvent Delivery HPLC system for separation and detection (by ultraviolet light absorption) of trenbolone acetate.

Culture Period: 180 days for offspring.

Stocking Rate: 100 fry/container.


Water Management: Water temperature will be maintained at 28-30°C.

Other Inputs: none

Test Species: Nile tilapia (Oreochromis niloticus), Ivory Coast strain.

Sampling Plan: The experiment consists of two groups: 1) fry immersed at the optimal masculinization conditions established in experiments 1 and 2; and 2) fry immersed in ethanol vehicle. Each group will be triplicated. Water samples (25 ml) will be collected on 0 (before and after treatment), 1, 2, 4, and 7 days (and every 7 days thereafter until disappearance) after treatment for measurement of trenbolone acetate. All samples will be extracted on Sep-Pak and then analyzed for presence of trenbolone acetate and metabolites by HPLC At the end of the 6-month grow-out period, the tilapia will be killed to determine if the treatment with trenbolone acetate resulted in masculinization.

Statistical Methods and Hypotheses: H01: Trenbolone acetate is non-detectable in water during or after immersion treatment of tilapia fry. This is a descriptive study and therefore, statistical analysis is unnecessary for testing the null hypothesis. Sex ratios will be compared between MT-fed and control groups by Chi-squared test.
 
any ideas of how the fish could injest the trenbolone acetate (through gills, skind, etc.) , is trenbolone acetate water or fat soluble, and when u said that tenbolone acetate could not be detected in water does that mean it is fat soluble, and if so is it detected in ncaa tests?
 
this study the tren acetate was disolved in ethanol water solution and the fish were placed in the solution...the tren was either absorbed through the gills or through the body,,plasma levels may be dirrerent for different types of fish depending on what types of scales and mucous on the fishes body if in fact the tren is absorbed by the skin and not gills..gills would offer better chance for absorbtion because of the capillary network and bloodflow..when they said it was not detectable in water they refffered to previous studies where the fish were all in one tank and they recieved the tren by food containing trenbolone,,i guess some of the tren would get to the bottom of the tank if it was not eaten or excreted by the fish unchanged(which happens in humans for tren as well)..NCAA testing will catch you if are using tren. tren by itself is not water soluble. speakingin general about most steroids they are soluble in oil..again there are cases where they are SLIGHTLY soluble in ethanol
 
hesoldschool said:
does the hallife of a drug differ in is system of delivery??

Drug delivery depends on many factors, does the delivery method in question allow a blood level off a drug to stay in a therapeutic range long enough to have an effect.that depends on absorbtion, distribution, metabolism, and ecretion of the drug..half life does matter, but it is just part of the puzzle.

if you are refering to the trenbolone fish study...it possibly has some merit that half life may play a role in what androgen they will emerse the fish in to get the best effect...they did not have any tissue sample in this study of the fish or blood levels(kind of hard because they are fish fry(fish babies) so small,, trying to get half life measurements of tren in tic tac size fish would be a bitch...first off you would not know how much was absorbed in the first place,,cant stick a needle in the thing.....kudos to whoever can figure out the kinetics of trandermal trenbolone in tilapia fry....i will personally call and congradulate the person who comes up with that one..lol
 
instant.muscle said:
did the fish get big and break the tank?

out of the four

one fish got the tren cough.

another got roid rage and kept ramming into the other fish

another got a bad case of the night sweats and overflowed the fish tank.

the other one is on trial with barry bonds and the BALCO scandle..lol

they might have gotten largfer than the ones who werent on the juice
 
lol thats what makes a board like this great. the ability to create controllled expirements and sharing it with the rest of the members.. ha i wish i could sk questions
 
lanky said:
out of the four

one fish got the tren cough.

another got roid rage and kept ramming into the other fish

another got a bad case of the night sweats and overflowed the fish tank.

the other one is on trial with barry bonds and the BALCO scandle..lol

they might have gotten largfer than the ones who werent on the juice
lmfao stfu, i wanna put a 20 fut asian crocodile on 10 grams of test, tren, anadrol, halo everyday and c if its pet friendly like if icould go swimming with it
 
lanky said:
out of the four

one fish got the tren cough.

another got roid rage and kept ramming into the other fish

another got a bad case of the night sweats and overflowed the fish tank.

the other one is on trial with barry bonds and the BALCO scandle..lol

they might have gotten largfer than the ones who werent on the juice
OLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOL
 
CO B-man said:
any serious cases of gyno? LOL!

there were no cases of gyno, but one of the blowfishes in another study got a little bloated, so we had to put him on an aromatase inhibitor(it turned him flat like a flounder) he was so ripped..single digit bodyfat% .lol
 
i have some left over 17 alpha methyl DHT powder lying around,,there is a huge bee hive in my neighbors tree...hmmmmm
 
unfortunatly i could not get close enough to the be hive because fear of getting stung, but i did put some 17 alpha methyl DHT on an active ant hill near the base of my house mixed with sucrose honey mixture to entice them..i will monitor if they increase in speed or size
 
bill nye the science guy..lol..i think i just found a new avatar..

we havent had rain much here in NJ in the past week or two,,it is prime conditions for ant hill formation..

i did not actually measure out how much i added to the honey and sugar mixture...

my results will be based on speed and size..i wish i could test strength..lb per lb an ant is probably the strongest thing on earth..natures powerlifters..strong like an ant
 
i checked the ant hill today, the mixture was gone, my guess it that they ate it. the anthill has grown in size, along with the other hills that are 10-20 feet away. same amount of activity seen around each hole. no increase in speed(just subjective, i am not out there with my stopwatch).

i will give them another serving tomorrow after work.
 
lanky said:
i checked the ant hill today, the mixture was gone, my guess it that they ate it. the anthill has grown in size, along with the other hills that are 10-20 feet away. same amount of activity seen around each hole. no increase in speed(just subjective, i am not out there with my stopwatch).

i will give them another serving tomorrow after work.

THis is funny because it is true that you are doing this.... and its sad that I really want to know what is going to happen lol

. Don't have them go past 6 weeks on orals, too much stress on their livers.
 
i will have to hold off until tomorrow for their next serving , i was called into work again, i t is to dark to see where the hill is, i dont want to step on the ant hill
 
i gave the next serving earlier this morning, there were not to many ants outside of the hill at 7:00am,,i just came home from work about 45 minutes ago, a litte more activity compared to the morning. i saw a bird(finch or sparrow) near the ant hill so half of the hills were steped on by the bird(i suspect)..cant comment on size or speed yet..but the mixture was gone but i still see a little residue from the honey/ 17alpha methyl dht mixture, roughly 25mg methyl dht this morning
 
I suspect you are going to ruin the entire ecosystem with your excersize. First the ants, then the birds eating the ants, then the cats eating the birds, then the coyotes catching and eating the cats and so on. Where does the madness end man have you no mercy? LOL!
 
CO B-man said:
I suspect you are going to ruin the entire ecosystem with your excersize. First the ants, then the birds eating the ants, then the cats eating the birds, then the coyotes catching and eating the cats and so on. Where does the madness end man have you no mercy? LOL!

lol...the new jersey department of environmental protection will be on my case when they see a bunch of juiced wildlife around my house..roid rage squirells, rabbits with gyno, birds with male pattern baldness, mice with back acne. termites with the EQ hunger, earthworms the size of anacondas, ladybugs the size of volkswagons,
 
i went outside earlier today and took a look at my experiment. the anthill has grown in size compared to yesterday and looks larger compared the others that are 10 feet away. there was only a few ants out there, they must be eating it when i am at work, there was a few flies around the soil where it is stained form the numerous applications of honey, methyl dht mixture..it is supposed to rain sometime late thursday night or friday daytime hours here in south jersey, i might have to shelter the ant hill from the rain.
 
my emperiment got wrecked,,i created a little shelter for the anthill because i was afraid the rain would flood the anthill, it was just a piece of particle board and two 2x4, well i went outside and found the particle board had fell on the anthill and flattened it, there was a few ants..i was afraid to lift the board up at first because i thought they would have roid rage and come after me. i have to keep it protected because the gutter overflows when it rains even a little bit because it is clogged from those pods that come off the trees( they make a hellicopter motion as they fall off the branch) in early summer
 
lanky said:
the ants have returned with a vengance

Fuck Harvard, I want a PHD from Lanky School of AAS Technical Instutite of Fine Arts!!!! When do classes start up again?

T-Matt
 
lanky said:
Drug delivery depends on many factors, does the delivery method in question allow a blood level off a drug to stay in a therapeutic range long enough to have an effect.that depends on absorbtion, distribution, metabolism, and ecretion of the drug..half life does matter, but it is just part of the puzzle.

if you are refering to the trenbolone fish study...it possibly has some merit that half life may play a role in what androgen they will emerse the fish in to get the best effect...they did not have any tissue sample in this study of the fish or blood levels(kind of hard because they are fish fry(fish babies) so small,, trying to get half life measurements of trenbolone in tic tac size fish would be a bitch...first off you would not know how much was absorbed in the first place,,cant stick a needle in the thing.....
kudos to whoever can figure out the kinetics of trandermal trenbolone in tilapia fry....i will personally call and congradulate the person who comes up with that one
..lol

i think i was reading somewhere where they could determine this,,,or something of the sort.
 
lanky said:
out of the four

one fish got the trenbolone cough.

another got roid rage and kept ramming into the other fish

another got a bad case of the night sweats and overflowed the fish tank.

the other one is on trial with barry bonds and the BALCO scandle..lol

they might have gotten largfer than the ones who werent on the juice

what was i smoking
 
Tilapia = Garbage fish

its flooded the costco market and people don't knwo they are eating pretty much a low grade carp
 
OMEGA said:
Tilapia = Garbage fish

its flooded the costco market and people don't knwo they are eating pretty much a low grade carp

i used to go carp fishing all the time,,i hear carp has an "earthy" flavor

tilapia is pretty mild, very thin fillets so they cook fast, takes on the flavor of whatever you cook it in/with,,,yes they are mass produced (mass reproduced...lol) for the whole costco/sams/BJ's.....buying 25lbs of tilapia at a time. orange roughy is a nice alternative to tilapia


Lets juice my fish
 
I always heared/thought they were good fish to eat no? I dunno... I was gunna try it soon.. maybe I'll pass...
 
OMEGA said:
Tilapia = Garbage fish

its flooded the costco market and people don't knwo they are eating pretty much a low grade carp

FUCKIN A!!!!

Yep Tilapia = Garbage fish

Food value of Tilapia is crap.

Would not feed to dog.
 
I thought the tilapia ( south american ) was great for you?


Ps we give my friends pitbull reforvit B's doses at @ 12.50mg twice to 3x a week

hes a fucking beast
 
the major androgen found naturally in fish is 11 ketotestosterone,,,there is 11 ketoandrostenedione supplements on the market, i tried ergopharm 11-oxo,,did not do much of anything, made my skin a little clearer,,actually raised my fasting bloodsugar and QID fingerstick,,dont worry i did not grow gills, fins, or have the sudden urge to "spawn"
 
I've seriously been considering feeding my cat with 1mg oxandrolone daily for 4 weeks and documenting the results. I want to have a beast cat, lol.
 
i cant believe i am the only one juicing animals around here.....i put my neighbors rabit on mestanolone yesterday,,he could loose a little bodyfat.
 
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