GH and Joint Pain

[Grainger]

What is it about GH that cuase joint pain? i.e. what about it's activity in the body causes ones joint to hurt?

I know that this doesn't happen to most poeple and I know that I have already posted on this once becasue but I was wondering if anyone has done some research to find out why.

I am 32, taking 4IU / day 5 on 2 off. GH is the only thing that I am using although I will be throwing some AS in the mix soon.

I can train in the gym like it's nobody's business but when it comes to picking up a gallon of milk, I feel like my arm is going to rip off (my elbows are SOO bad)

 

[diamonddiceclay]

I just got a case of major carpal tunnel from 18 iu a day of gh-it took 5 weeks to come on-the elbow thing for me is minor-I have HAND pain

 

[M.O.D]

i ache like a mofo as well lately, i guess the longer you are on the more likely the CTS will hit

 

[Grainger]

that's odd to hear you say that M.O.D. I thought that you didn't have any problems?

I love being on the shit but I can't take much more of it. I know that it is from the GH because if I stop for 4 days it starts to clear up a little. I might try droping down to 2 IU's (not sure if that is even worth while????)


I would really be interested in hearing from others XXXL, Ironmaster, SuperGirl as well as others.....please share your expereinces with it.

Maybe it just affects some people differently.....

anyone?

 

[M.O.D]

that's odd to hear you say that M.O.D. I thought that you didn't have any problems?

I love being on the shit but I can't take much more of it. I know that it is from the GH because if I stop for 4 days it starts to clear up a little. I might try droping down to 2 IU's (not sure if that is even worth while????)


I would really be interested in hearing from others XXXL, Ironmaster, SuperGirl as well as others.....please share your expereinces with it.

Maybe it just affects some people differently.....

anyone?

yeah i think i jinxed myself, up till a few days ago all i got were stiff hands now my joints ache like hell,,,,nothing good ever comes easy

 

[M.O.D]

grainger,

i just added in 400mg of deca a week to see if that helps. i will let you know

 

[tury]

very intresting!!!

I did a cycle with T-400, EQ,fina and 4iu/day of GH. I did have really bad joint pains but I always thought it was the fina that was giving me the joint pains. I was not taking winny with that cycle at all. But now hearing from you guys maybe it was the GH that was giving me the joint pain the whole time. All this time I thought it was the fina, funny thing is I told my buddy the fina gave me joint pains and he said he never had any joint pains while on it.

 

[Grainger]

Yeah MOD, PLEASE let me know how the Deca works out......I was thinking about shooting some of that myself because this is just too much all of the sudden.

One of the reasons that I started the GH by itself was to see the effect that I had on me (without being on AS) If I was on a cycle right now, I would have blammed it on something else.

Tury the GH could have very well caused it....I have never tried Fina though.

I have only been on GH for 4 weeks though! I am seeing GREAT results but not worth the sides....I just wish I knew how long it was going to take to go away.

My elbows might be giving me more problems than other people because I am on the computer ALL day at work.

 

[M.O.D]

grainger is this your first time taking GH? if so keep in mind it is a shock to your system and you need to get used to it...the first time i took gh my ankles swelled up like ballons...

 

[monkeyballs]

Hey MOD...
Was the swelling so bad that it impeded your ablity to move?
Did anything relieve this swelling (ice, ibu, etc...).
Was it the type of side that you could just grin and bear, or was it really fucking bad. Just curious because Swolen ankles could really hurt my sport specific training.

 

[supergirl]

hey grainger... ok.. here is my gh opinion

i fucking love the stuff!!!!!!!!! i take 2 ius everyday.. no days off.. my joints feel like butter.. i had a knee injury and i can now lunge again.. my rotators used to cause me mad pain during lat pulldowns and shoulder presses.. well.. my press is up to a 50lb db in each hand with NO pain!!!
so.. GH for me has been extremely theraputic, not to mention that it is (combined with anavar) ripping me up.. i have gone from 19% bf to currently 14% and am still dropping..

every morning i wake with slight swelling in my hands, i am holding water (sub q water) and i get tingles in my arms on occasion and they sometimes fall asleep.. BUT otherwise.. i am sooo happy with GH!!! It is doing exactly what i expected it to..

all i can say is that you might be experiencing the "adjusting" period.. the first couple of weeks i got on gh, my joints felt stiff.. not pain.. just stiff... i was taking super hot showers... also, as a female.. i noticed that my period cramps were as bad as they were when i was first in puberty.. usually i have cramps, but not like i did the first month on GH... I was in soooo much pain.. BUT once i became "adjusted" to the gh after about a month, my body and joints have never felt better. My recovery is incredible and i sleep like a baby!

so my advice.. hang in there.. allow GH the adequate time it needs to prove itself and also i would get an AS in there soon..

good luck with it all
luv super

 

[Grainger]

Thanks a lot gang. I was getting kinda bummed because I want this to work out for me.

To be honest, I have already seen great results from it and I am taking it alone and it has only been 4 -5 weeks! Everyone says that your not going to see anything but that is crap....sure its not like being on a cycle...but the quality is WAY better. I can't wait to try it with other gear!

I am going to keep trying it....you might be right....it could take some time to get use to it. As far as water retention goes....my body wieght went up 8 pounds one night. I was so freaked out that I called the ER to ask what I could take to release the water...it was CRAZY! (I may have had some sort of salt imbalance and the GH just through it more out of wack) but I couldn't even make a fist!

After that night it never happend again...My shoulder is better and my BF is dropping fast!

Thanks for taking the time to help me out....I appreciate it!

-G

 

[ROIDRANGER]

its my first time on growth, been 2 wks today (6iu, 5on 2off) along w/ gram of test, 100mg drol, and will be starting 600-1000mg QV deca(in a wk when i get it).....
...i feel the growth...hands are stiff.....no problem lifting..but ache all the time...like mentioned above when holding something & some times my muscles feel like theyre going to tear or rip while relaxing....its not bothersome just a new feeling
...i have been sleeping like a rock--which is biggest suprise...
and im not really holding water..

 

[Jeff_rys]

What is it about GH that cuase joint pain? i.e. what about it's activity in the body causes ones joint to hurt?
I can train in the gym like it's nobody's business but when it comes to picking up a gallon of milk, I feel like my arm is going to rip off (my elbows are SOO bad)

In my opinion GH causes water extraction in the joints. If that is true then that would be a good explication. Also if true, Deca would indeed be the answer.

Jeff

 

[tury]

your Gh pain

is probably cause from the fact that you did not titrate your dosage up slowly, GH unlike AAS should be titrated up, start with a low dose and then increase it, this is what you should have done since it was the first time on GH, you probably started taking too much or titrated up the dosage too fast, and it was just too much of a shock to your body, kind of like front loading too much and getting the roid flu. But if you read on and of the manufacturers websites they wil all say to titrate the dosage slowly increasing it.

 

[Jeff_rys]

I find this hard to believe Tury

not saying it is impossible, but i am on GH since beginning december, always small doses (it's expensive) and still i have joint pain in arms and legs. Doing 2 iu a day can hardly be considered much.

So for me until proven otherwise it is waterloss in the joints. Maybe one will not feel pain at all if only taken GH WITHOUT training?

Jeff

 

[tury]

WOW

You are taking a very low maintenance dose, I do not know what could be causing that, maybe your body just reacts that way, but when I was getting joint pains, in elbows and knees mostly, I was taking 4iu's/day and I was on it for close to 6 months. although I did titrate it up and then back down.

 

[monkeyballs]

Re: your Gh pain

is probably cause from the fact that you did not titrate your dosage up slowly, GH unlike AAS should be titrated up, start with a low dose and then increase it, this is what you should have done since it was the first time on GH, you probably started taking too much or titrated up the dosage too fast, and it was just too much of a shock to your body, kind of like front loading too much and getting the roid flu. But if you read on and of the manufacturers websites they wil all say to titrate the dosage slowly increasing it.

Vets? Is this true?

 

[Dutchie]

I'm encoutering the same problems and also some pain in muscles of my quads also.
That makes it difficult for me to train legs.....

Now for one and a half week on deca 400 mg and started also taking some Ca/Mg tabs to compensate...

 

[ironmaster]

Man, I don't know......I never feel anything but great with GH. hGH thickens and strengthens connective tissue in most people. In the various studies, fewer than 1 in 20 experienced such problems.
I don't titrate, either, and in the same study I mentioned, subjects started on 12iu a day.
Jeff, you old fart.......your joints hurt cause you are older than dirt. Lets see........MOD got hit by a truck.....
Any of you boys using arimidex? Pain or antibiotic meds?
Never, ever have I seen any reference to muscle pain from GH.
2iu is more than a maintenance dose........we only make .5 to 1.5iu a day naturally, which is still produced will using somatropin if we inject at the right times.

 

[M.O.D]

Man, I don't know......I never feel anything but great with GH. hGH thickens and strengthens connective tissue in most people. In the various studies, fewer than 1 in 20 experienced such problems.
I don't titrate, either, and in the same study I mentioned, subjects started on 12iu a day.
Jeff, you old fart.......your joints hurt cause you are older than dirt. Lets see........MOD got hit by a truck.....
Any of you boys using arimidex? Pain or antibiotic meds?
Never, ever have I seen any reference to muscle pain from GH.
2iu is more than a maintenance dose........we only make .5 to 1.5iu a day naturally, which is still produced will using somatropin if we inject at the right times.

bot time you chimed in and what you say makes since....

arimidex
pain meds
7mm herniated disc
my gate is off..

thanks doc ironmaster that does explain it because the aches started after i got on arimidex and i also just started taking vicodin again..

 

[Dutchie]

I'm on 1 mg arimidex ED too...

Can the ari's cause this?

 

[Jeff_rys]

He Dutchie, i don't think so

I'm on 1 mg arimidex ED too...

Can the ari's cause this?

since we have the same problem and i only use GH, nothing else, it must be something else.

Jeff

 

[Jeff_rys]

haha I.M.

Jeff, you old fart.......your joints hurt cause you are older than dirt. Lets see........MOD got hit by a truck.....

very, very true, but i think thanks to my age i benefit more of the 2 iu then some youngsters do on 4 iu. (Yes, 40 is young in my opinion).

Jeff

 

[Norway]

I used 4iu 5/2 with Fina 500mg/winny 700mg/oral masteron 350mg and my joint pain in arms was unbearable.
Then i switched to 1250mg enathate+400mg deca and som dbols.
The joint pain dissapeared ,Now i only have slightly svelling in my hands with 6iu day.

 

[MaxIntense]

I had the same problem with joint pain in my hands/fingers and feet. I then tried switching brand and side effect went away, well at least 90% gone. So guys, maybe you should try another brand.

 

[supergirl]

for all of you with the joint pain... how long did you run the gh?? It has been in my experience that the first month can HURT.. It has also been in my experience that the longer you are on the more your joints feel great!!!

 

[Jeff_rys]

Supergirl i am on it since begin december

for all of you with the joint pain... how long did you run the gh?? It has been in my experience that the first month can HURT.. It has also been in my experience that the longer you are on the more your joints feel great!!!

Had to stop for about 12-14 days (package seized), then i bought some from a friend in the Netherlands and restarted. So all by all
4 months. But if this changes i will let you know and will be very happy because training sucks sometimes.

Jeff

 

[Grainger]

MOD and Ironmaster

M.O.D how is the Deca working out for you? Did it help with the pain?

IronMaster,
you asked about anti -e's.....well I am taking proviron. But what affect does that have on anything? I am going to be hitting another cycle here pretty soon and I will be using Arimidex throughout the cycle. What kind of effect does that have with the GH.

Some days it feels worse than others....right not I have been off GH for 2 days and my forearms still feel like shit. I can do curls with no problems....I pick up a gallon of milk or try to do lateral raises for shoulder and I want to jump through the roof. I am half tempted to get some cort. shots

thanks, I look forward to hearing from you guys......If anyone discovers anything please let me know! I am getting such great results I don't want to stop but fear I am going to screw myself up.

 

[Grainger]

bump?

 

[tury]

funny thing I was also taking Fina and Arimidex along with test and Eq when I got the joing pains with the GH, I wonder if taking the Fina and GH had something to do with it? It got to the point where I just had to stop.

 

[krafta]

we only make .5 to 1.5iu a day naturally, which is still produced will using somatropin if we inject at the right times.

i've never quite understood what time at the day is best for using GH...
some say the best thing is half the dose in the morning, and the rest before bedtime!! some say 5 days on/2 off, some say 6on/1off etc etc...
i would really like to get some more info & different suggestions on this!! can someone please help, or give me a link??

 

[C-Steele]

I have only been on GH for 4 weeks though! I am seeing GREAT results but not worth the sides....I just wish I knew how long it was going to take to go away.

My elbows might be giving me more problems than other people because I am on the computer ALL day at work.

I have been on gh for about 3 weeks and like you I am using the computer all day (programmer) I haven't noticed any pain in my joints yet however my lower back (spine area) has been hurting like hell every morning when I wake up... AHHHH!!

I have been doing 400mg deca wk... who knows.. hope you start feeling better.

Chris Steele

 

[Zyglamail]

Ive been on GH since april 1st, 6IU dialy, mainly injecting on front of trunk, abs, pecs etc. I started sleeping like a baby alsmot immedialty and normally I am a very light and restless sleeper. My hands and knees are stiff but aside from that no problems. Im up 5lbs in three weeks and appear to be a tad leaner. Currently on no other "products".

 

[Zyglamail]

i've never quite understood what time at the day is best for using GH...
some say the best thing is half the dose in the morning, and the rest before bedtime!! some say 5 days on/2 off, some say 6on/1off etc etc...
i would really like to get some more info & different suggestions on this!! can someone please help, or give me a link??

There are studies that seem to indicate that GH does have its own feedback mechanism and extended use can lower ones on GH production so one of the reasons I believe many did the 5on/2off was not only to save money but reduce the chances of natural shutdown or inhabition.

As for when to shoot, times vary because hormones have a limited life span or halflife if you will and because of that hormone release is in pulses and these usually have varying degree's of magnatude but usually follow a pattern. I cant remember the exact times of the day but it was something like 6am, 1pm and 8pm where the lowest levels of GH on average and thats when most people shoot. Once again since hormones have a limited lifespan people often break up the injections into 2-3 and try to hit them when natural levels are low to get the most out of it.

 

[supergirl]

I cant remember the exact times of the day but it was something like 6am, 1pm and 8pm where the lowest levels of GH on average and thats when most people shoot. Once again since hormones have a limited lifespan people often break up the injections into 2-3 and try to hit them when natural levels are low to get the most out of it.

what if you sleep til noon everyday like me?? LOL so much for the 6am shot

it is in my experience and research and opinions of long term users that the best time to shoot is when your own natural production would normally take place.. while you are sleeping..
the idea is to replenish the gh at its natural time..

i tried both ways..
1) in the am and after my workout..mid afternoon
2) right before bed

IMO.. prior to bed works better..

my friend would shoot prior to bed 3 ius and then 3ius when he woke up.. this worked for him...

so the bedtime should be a definite shot

 

[Jeff_rys]

since no one seems to be able to overcome the pain

i am still curious if anyone has a solution for the joint pain. I had to drop the intake of GH to 1 iu/day. So now i am doing only 4 iu a week and still the pain does not go away.

One can hardly say that after 4 months the body has to adjust, not at this low dose.
The only good that comes out of it: it's getting cheap, doing only 4iu/week, but not enough to see decent results.

Jeff

 

[Grainger]

I feel for ya Jeff. I took a few weeks off and I still have the joint pain. I know that I was training like a mad man when I started cause I was so fired up about taking the stuff....I wonder if I just over did it with my training. I was training to failure all the time....

I am about to fire up a cycle. I am almost sure that the stuff is like Winny. Most people take it with something else which is why they probably don't notice the sides as much?

I would like to keep this thread going becuase I am interested to hear from people that have this problem and work through it...i am not ready to give up yet!

 

[eagle64]

2iu is more than a maintenance dose........we only make .5 to 1.5iu a day naturally, which is still produced will using somatropin if we inject at the right times.

Could you explain a little?
I read something about GH and it said the IGF-1 rise lasts AT LEAST 24 hours.

I would guess that, if IGF-1 is high, there will be no endogenous GH production, but this was not checked in the studies I read.

You write ther would still be natural production if injcting at the right times, which I guess means NOT post wo and pre-sleep.
Do you have any medical, or anyway scientific, evidence on that?

I am extremely interested!

I had friends who developed sort of TCS after only 6 weeks 5/2 at 3 iu a day, and other at 4 iu eod, which is a prett low dose.

I myself have only 48 iu, and was planning to take it 4 iu mo-we-fr, 2 weeks on and one off, of course stacked with all the rest.

I also somewhat think that joint problems comes when the dose is too high, and also very small doses could be "beneficial", is appropriated stacked with.

If you had any bibliography can you just post the references?


Thank you!

Eagle

 

[Jeff_rys]

Well Grainger we are in the same boat i guess

am taking 6 caps of Glucosamine now and after a week it seems to be getting better, but don't know for how long.
Will try to get rid of the pain, then up the dose. I firmly believe (as I.M. says) that 2 iu/day (7/7) is the way to go.

1) lowering the costs
2) maybe one is able to control the pain and avoid injuries
3) going up to higher doses is for the lucky ones who don't feel anything.

Jeff

 

[eagle64]

Could you explain a little?
I read something about GH and it said the IGF-1 rise lasts AT LEAST 24 hours.

I would guess that, if IGF-1 is high, there will be no endogenous GH production, but this was not checked in the studies I read.

You write ther would still be natural production if injcting at the right times, which I guess means NOT post wo and pre-sleep.
Do you have any medical, or anyway scientific, evidence on that?

I am extremely interested!

I had friends who developed sort of TCS after only 6 weeks 5/2 at 3 iu a day, and other at 4 iu eod, which is a prett low dose.

I myself have only 48 iu, and was planning to take it 4 iu mo-we-fr, 2 weeks on and one off, of course stacked with all the rest.

I also somewhat think that joint problems comes when the dose is too high, and also very small doses could be "beneficial", is appropriated stacked with.

If you had any bibliography can you just post the references?


Thank you!

Eagle

Anybody home?????

 

[Jeff_rys]

Zyglamail, forgot to mention

since you are at it since april 1 (merely 3 weeks) joint pain still should come. It took me awhile to get it, so maybe you will join us. But for you i hope not;

Keep us informed if you do get joint pain, will you?

Jeff

 

[cbeaks]

I have been on gh for about 6 months taking 6iu 5 on 2 off. About 6 weeks ago I bumped it up to 9iu/day and as of 3 weeks ago I am taking 12iu/ day. I started getting terrible hand numbness that effected my sleep about 2-3 months ago. I haven't really had any joint pains yet. What is really weird is that my hands haven't really been getting very numb since I went up to 12iu. My face does swell up a little bit when I eat. It is as if I am getting a pump from chewing and it can be painful at times. - cbeaks