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flexibility and aas
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Mike I appreciate your input. I should have given more info. Long story short I had cancer. Had a total hystectomy followed by tons of chemo and now I have lupus. I'm working with Pt's and massage therapists and I stretch 2 hours a day. I was a profssional Pilates instructor for 9 years. I'm doing my part. I can't even touch my toes. And 3 years ago I could fold myself in half. That's why I'm always asking about supplements and AAS. I do my part with diet, workouts and exercise. I need a little extra.
mlong23
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Mike P.T. said:Yes. Supplement with stretching exercises. Best done after warming up and especially after a workout.
Stole my idea.I am sure someone could sell you something they say helps you to improve streching, but I would find it hard to believe. Have you talked with a dietician, as some foods may allow your muscles to have more elasticity than others, I haven't a clue. Sorry.
2ncourage said:
Sorry to hear about what happened but it's great your on the road back. Remember the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step and you're back on that journey again but you won't get there right away. Right now patience bro and you will get there. Exercising the muscles then stretching would help the muscles stretch better than just stretching them cold so you might want to do several warm-up exercises specific to the muscles you want to stretch. Some exercises offer a good stretch when done through it's fullest range of motion so do those as well. Unfortunately there really isn't a steroid or supplement that helps improve flexibility.
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AS will absolutely make it worse as they increase water in the cells along with creatine and water.
There is a hormone they sell at BAC which is secreted by pregnant women and has been isolation. I forget the name, but go to BAC and type in pregnant and I'm sure the hormone will come up though I didn't find any resounding success with it, it may benefit you.
There is a hormone they sell at BAC which is secreted by pregnant women and has been isolation. I forget the name, but go to BAC and type in pregnant and I'm sure the hormone will come up though I didn't find any resounding success with it, it may benefit you.
solidspine
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2ncourage, it sounds like you are doing great in your training, I don't disagree with any of the other comments about the use of gear to help in you situation.
But I do think Deca would help, it would give you more strength and can help with joint pain. I have used deca Specifically for joint pain with successful results.
But I do think Deca would help, it would give you more strength and can help with joint pain. I have used deca Specifically for joint pain with successful results.
b1ewsw32
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My question as well. As I'll be starting up again with martial arts come January, right after New years.2ncourage said:
I know that HGH can increase the strength of tendons, ligaments and connective tissue, but would this make things tighter and more difficult to stretch, or would it have no effect on stretching potential, but allow one to stretch more while reducing the potential for injury?
Thanks..B32
Generic MALE
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I have heard manganese helps (not magnesium).
The hormone responsible for the "loosening" of pregnant womens joints in progesterone. progesterone helps with such joint problems - that is why the progestagenic anabolic steroids like Deca are said to help.
I would also guess essential fatty acids like EPA and DHA.
The hormone responsible for the "loosening" of pregnant womens joints in progesterone. progesterone helps with such joint problems - that is why the progestagenic anabolic steroids like Deca are said to help.
I would also guess essential fatty acids like EPA and DHA.
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Soma's might work, too.
The hormone is NOT progesterone!
RELAXIN is a hormone mostly known for its ability to relax ligaments and to promote other changes to facilitate birth in the late stage of pregnancy.
The hormone is NOT progesterone!
RELAXIN is a hormone mostly known for its ability to relax ligaments and to promote other changes to facilitate birth in the late stage of pregnancy.
Yes I've tried the muscle relaxers. I've been to physical therapy. I used to teach pilates so I was really flexible. Now I can't touch my toes. Someone said myofascia release massage. May try that. Or maybe it takes time. Yesterday I did an hour of weights and 1 hour of cardio in that order and then I stretched and did pilates for an hour. Not a bit of progress. Maybe just takes time.
Generic MALE
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Well yes, relaxin is one of the hormones that is responsible for ligament laxity as indicated by this brief abstract - Generic MALE :
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Sports Med. 2000 May;29(5):313-27.
Neuromuscular and hormonal factors associated with knee injuries in female athletes. Strategies for intervention.
Hewett TE.
Cincinnati Sportsmedicine Research and Education Foundation, Deaconess Hospital, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. [email protected]
Female athletes who participate in jumping and cutting sports are 4 to 6 times more likely to sustain a serious knee injury than male athletes participating in the same sports. More than 30,000 serious knee injuries are projected to occur in female intercollegiate and high school athletics in the US each year. The majority of these injuries occur by non-contact mechanisms, most often during landing from a jump or making a lateral pivot while running. Knee instability, due possibly to decreased neuromuscular strength and coordination or increased ligamentous laxity, may underlie the increased incidence of knee injury in females. Neuromuscular training can significantly increase dynamic knee stability in female athletes. Female sex hormones (i.e. estrogen, progesterone and relaxin) fluctuate radically during the menstrual cycle and are reported to increase ligamentous laxity and decrease neuromuscular performance and, thus, are a possible cause of decreases in both passive and active knee stability in female athletes. Oral contraceptives stabilise hormone levels during the menstrual cycle and may function to either passively or actively stabilise the knee joint. The long term objective of clinicians and researchers should be to determine the factors that make women more susceptible than men to knee ligament injury and to develop treatment modalities to aid in the prevention of these injuries. The immediate objectives of this review are to examine how female and male athletes differ in neuromuscular and ligamentous control of the lower extremity. The review will examine the effects of neuromuscular training on knee stability. The effects of female hormone levels and oral contraceptives on neuromuscular control of the female athletes' knee will also be discussed.==
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However Progesterone is considered the primary hormonal cause of ligament laxity - and is the reason, as evidenced by others for the beneficial joint responses on Deca and other progestagenic steroids. The following illustrates this - but I have edited it as it was a very long article, not an abstract like I posted above, but was the article in its entirety - Generic MALE
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Expecting Questions About Exercise and Pregnancy?
David Araujo, MD
THE PHYSICIAN AND SPORTSMEDICINE - VOL 25 - NO. 4 - APRIL 97
In Brief: The appropriateness of various forms of exercise during pregnancy is controversial. ..............There are numerous changes to the physiology of the pregnant woman........ Musculoskeletal: Multiple adaptations of the musculoskeletal system can affect the ability to exercise. ..........The increase in hormone levels, especially progesterone, promotes ligament and joint laxity, which is needed to bring about the pelvic relaxation and symphyseal widening that permit vaginal delivery.
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Sports Med. 2000 May;29(5):313-27.
Neuromuscular and hormonal factors associated with knee injuries in female athletes. Strategies for intervention.
Hewett TE.
Cincinnati Sportsmedicine Research and Education Foundation, Deaconess Hospital, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. [email protected]
Female athletes who participate in jumping and cutting sports are 4 to 6 times more likely to sustain a serious knee injury than male athletes participating in the same sports. More than 30,000 serious knee injuries are projected to occur in female intercollegiate and high school athletics in the US each year. The majority of these injuries occur by non-contact mechanisms, most often during landing from a jump or making a lateral pivot while running. Knee instability, due possibly to decreased neuromuscular strength and coordination or increased ligamentous laxity, may underlie the increased incidence of knee injury in females. Neuromuscular training can significantly increase dynamic knee stability in female athletes. Female sex hormones (i.e. estrogen, progesterone and relaxin) fluctuate radically during the menstrual cycle and are reported to increase ligamentous laxity and decrease neuromuscular performance and, thus, are a possible cause of decreases in both passive and active knee stability in female athletes. Oral contraceptives stabilise hormone levels during the menstrual cycle and may function to either passively or actively stabilise the knee joint. The long term objective of clinicians and researchers should be to determine the factors that make women more susceptible than men to knee ligament injury and to develop treatment modalities to aid in the prevention of these injuries. The immediate objectives of this review are to examine how female and male athletes differ in neuromuscular and ligamentous control of the lower extremity. The review will examine the effects of neuromuscular training on knee stability. The effects of female hormone levels and oral contraceptives on neuromuscular control of the female athletes' knee will also be discussed.==
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However Progesterone is considered the primary hormonal cause of ligament laxity - and is the reason, as evidenced by others for the beneficial joint responses on Deca and other progestagenic steroids. The following illustrates this - but I have edited it as it was a very long article, not an abstract like I posted above, but was the article in its entirety - Generic MALE
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Expecting Questions About Exercise and Pregnancy?
David Araujo, MD
THE PHYSICIAN AND SPORTSMEDICINE - VOL 25 - NO. 4 - APRIL 97
In Brief: The appropriateness of various forms of exercise during pregnancy is controversial. ..............There are numerous changes to the physiology of the pregnant woman........ Musculoskeletal: Multiple adaptations of the musculoskeletal system can affect the ability to exercise. ..........The increase in hormone levels, especially progesterone, promotes ligament and joint laxity, which is needed to bring about the pelvic relaxation and symphyseal widening that permit vaginal delivery.
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What is it that your muscle is attached, to?
There really is no way to stretch muscle without stretching tendons and ligaments and even 'fascia stretching' isn't likely to work on the muscle body which is why BB's and other althletes have fascia release surgeries.
He was in yoga and out of any activity for a year or more and wants to touch his toes again. I don't think he is worried about nor is he impaired by large muscle restricting his flexibility. I don't think he wanted to take AS, either.
Yes, progesterone 'may' be a factor, but then they said estrogen as well along with what appears like they didn't really know.
Some say they feel better/more flexible on deca which would be due to progestenic affects, however, nobody is taking it or prog, including women or men and noting they are suddenly able to do yoga significantly better.
There really is no way to stretch muscle without stretching tendons and ligaments and even 'fascia stretching' isn't likely to work on the muscle body which is why BB's and other althletes have fascia release surgeries.
He was in yoga and out of any activity for a year or more and wants to touch his toes again. I don't think he is worried about nor is he impaired by large muscle restricting his flexibility. I don't think he wanted to take AS, either.
Yes, progesterone 'may' be a factor, but then they said estrogen as well along with what appears like they didn't really know.
Some say they feel better/more flexible on deca which would be due to progestenic affects, however, nobody is taking it or prog, including women or men and noting they are suddenly able to do yoga significantly better.
