First Timer - Did Research...Now ?'s

[pullin27gs]

Age - 19 years old
Lifting History - 2 years on and off...took m1t saw a 15lb gain in one month.
Height - 5'11
Weight - 174lbs
Estimated BF% - 15% (my guess)
Diet - good carbs, 1g/lb protein, 2500 calories
Goals - Put on lean muscle while bulking -Target Weight = 200lbs
Proposed cycle - Deca 400mg/week - 1-8weeks
Winny 50mg/day - 3-8 weeks
Add. Info - Naturally I have a solid frame with pretty good genetics, im thinking with the help of the mentioned products above my goals can be realistic however your guys advice would be very helpful.

Do you guys think this would help me reach my goal? Any addition and/or subtraction of my proposed cycle would be helpful. Again I am new to this so any help/thoughts/advice would be great...Thanks alot guys/girls ( if there are any on this forum )

 

[stuck]

Diet - good carbs, 1g/lb protein, 2500 calories
Goals - Put on lean muscle while bulking -Target Weight = 200lbs

Bump that to 1.5g or 2g/lb and 3000 cals and I guarantee you achieve your goal without juice.

 

[pullin27gs]

Bump that to 1.5g or 2g/lb and 3000 cals and I guarantee you achieve your goal without juice.

Ya your right, however im looking into juice so i can achieve my goals with a boost. I've done as much research as i could take in, and it seems deca and winny are right up my ally just wondering from a juicers mind ....thanks though stuck

 

[sprinter86]

Have you been to see a doctor to check if your growth plates are closed? If you dont do this, I would recommend Anavar only cycle.

 

[buffalo]

Have you been to see a doctor to check if your growth plates are closed? If you dont do this, I would recommend Anavar only cycle.

Very good point,if their not closed your going to screw yourself in the long run.

 

[ruggermu]

Personnally I ran Deca only my first cycle with great results. But most people will tell you to run test for your first cycle. So I will go with you should probaly do 500/week of testE. you can still run winny at the end if you want. Hell you could even through in DBol at the beginning to get you going. One thing is it's easier to control the bloat on test, or at least cheaper. You'll be pleased. If you do choose to stick with deca though, extend it to 10 weeks in my opinion and I still say add dbol at the beginning because it won't kick in for 4 weeks.

 

[brooklynheight]

your body is producing enough test right now for optimal growth..your only 19-your at the peak of test production...eat train and grow

 

[monstermmf]

don't be ignorant and listen to what these people have to say BUD! if you don't your gonna fuck yourself..

 

[ruggermu]

Yeah I just scanned the post I missed the age. I'm not real old myself, but I would suggest you wait at least a year.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

OMFG your 19 in your peak years of natural test you don't need juice, you need a good diet heavy ass fuckin lifting and maybe some creatine. Come back in at least a couple of years no reason to be juicing at your age.

 

[monstermmf]

At least get some N02 or something, protein, creatine, glutamine, eat massive amounts of food (double your bodyweight in protein which includes the whey shakes) and start lifting harder, hit your potential. try that shit. you'll hit whatever weight it was you were aiming for.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Age - 19 years old
Lifting History - 2 years on and off...took m1t saw a 15lb gain in one month.
Height - 5'11
Weight - 174lbs
Estimated BF% - 15% (my guess)
Diet - good carbs, 1g/lb protein, 2500 calories
Goals - Put on lean muscle while bulking -Target Weight = 200lbs
Proposed cycle - Deca 400mg/week - 1-8weeks
Winny 50mg/day - 3-8 weeks
Add. Info - Naturally I have a solid frame with pretty good genetics, im thinking with the help of the mentioned products above my goals can be realistic however your guys advice would be very helpful.

Do you guys think this would help me reach my goal? Any addition and/or subtraction of my proposed cycle would be helpful. Again I am new to this so any help/thoughts/advice would be great...Thanks alot guys/girls ( if there are any on this forum )

Don't do it. You will be just another asshole full of juice with a shit body to show for it. Diet, training, rest...get these spot on by the time you are 21 then think about gear again.

The people that need advice the most are the ones that are least likely to listen to it.


Bluesman

 

[pullin27gs]

for the growth factor im about 90% sure im done growing i havn't gotten any taller since age 17...at age 17 i was the same height 5'11. I have taken methyl-1-testorone in the past and the results were great. I'm just looking for something else to help me boost my gains. But i guess since you guys say re-consider, i will. I'll try to post up some pics so you guys can see from my point of view on why i want too. My body usually always reacts well to supplements and such so i just thought that deca and winny was a safe cycle. I didnt want to go too crazy and throw all this gear at my body such as d-bol, test, etc. A buddy of mine is on deca/winny and he has great results so far with little sides. My arms use to be 15in now they are like 14. Just miss being big...naturally it will take me 2-3 months. But i do thank you guys for your help.

 

[monstermmf]

yes, please post your pics.. so then we can come right back and tell you the same thing we told you before.. you must just think were a bunch of dumbfucks, obviously... done growing at 19, damn.. sad to think that you got that stuck in your head.. Maybe since you think your done growing thats why your not. Mind over matter..

 

[pullin27gs]

yes, please post your pics.. so then we can come right back and tell you the same thing we told you before.. you must just think were a bunch of dumbfucks, obviously... done growing at 19, damn.. sad to think that you got that stuck in your head.. Maybe since you think your done growing thats why your not. Mind over matter..

nope, thats not the case...never called no one hear a dumbfuck. I came hear for advice and advice you gave me. I never disagreed with anyone so calm down. Maybe i dont want to me on gear if this is the attitude people have on it. Jesus 5'11 is how tall my doctor said i will be and i have been 5'11 for 2 years. Never mind...i'm going to another forum you just think your a know it all and cant even help someone who's looking for help. Go put your shot in your ass...btw fuck mind over matter, i dont believe in it. matter was here before mind.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

On average men have there last growth spurt between 21-23 your not done growing don't touch juice.

 

[Outtlaw]

Im not advocating your decision to use, but that cycle you proposed flat out sucks.

 

[pullin27gs]

Im not advocating your decision to use, but that cycle you proposed flat out sucks.

actually, the deca/winny stack is proven...look at the thread talking about 1st hand deca use and many say that with winny it is a very good stack. Maybe for you it didnt work...but i also personally know somebody on this same gear. Works really well...i know gains aren't for about 4 weeks but the gains you get, you keep alot...i just want to do one cycle. Never heard so much criticism. There's many KIDS doing gear...i know you say im not done growing qt, but my doc says i am. Also deca and winny arent hardcore...im not proposing stacking 5 diff types of gear. Just two...put it this way. Will there be -any- difference due to the fact that i am 19? I doubt it...if anything my gains will be great due to the fact of my age. If you guys say no then whatever i wont do it...i just wanted info on it because i was really interested in doing it as my friend who is 19 has seen wonderful results. Please stop looking at my age, im not 15. There's a difference. Thanks all

 

[monstermmf]

nope, thats not the case...never called no one hear a dumbfuck. I came hear for advice and advice you gave me. I never disagreed with anyone so calm down. Maybe i dont want to me on gear if this is the attitude people have on it. Jesus 5'11 is how tall my doctor said i will be and i have been 5'11 for 2 years. Never mind...i'm going to another forum you just think your a know it all and cant even help someone who's looking for help. .

well so much for advice, go to another forum and they'll tell you the same thing.. I never said I knew everything, but I do consider myself pretty damn educated. no sense in arguing.

 

[pullin27gs]

well so much for advice, go to another forum and they'll tell you the same thing.. I never said I knew everything, but I do consider myself pretty damn educated. no sense in arguing.

Well if you would like i could show you my friend who is 19 and on the same gear i proposed, just got finished with his first cycle...and for anyone to say deca/winny doesnt work its only because they like stacking 6 diff types of gear at the same time. Whatever i know it will work, my doc is right, my growth is done, i'll be back in a month and let you guys know how it went thanks for the advice .

 

[Outtlaw]

actually, the deca/winny stack is proven...look at the thread talking about 1st hand deca use and many say that with winny it is a very good stack. Maybe for you it didnt work...but i also personally know somebody on this same gear. Works really well...i know gains aren't for about 4 weeks but the gains you get, you keep alot...i just want to do one cycle. Never heard so much criticism. There's many KIDS doing gear...i know you say im not done growing qt, but my doc says i am. Also deca and winny arent hardcore...im not proposing stacking 5 diff types of gear. Just two...put it this way. Will there be -any- difference due to the fact that i am 19? I doubt it...if anything my gains will be great due to the fact of my age. If you guys say no then whatever i wont do it...i just wanted info on it because i was really interested in doing it as my friend who is 19 has seen wonderful results. Please stop looking at my age, im not 15. There's a difference. Thanks all

I know all about deca and winny. I like and use both of them. It not your choice of drugs that are the problem, but how you have the cycle set up.

 

[pullin27gs]

I know all about deca and winny. I like and use both of them. It not your choice of drugs that are the problem, but how you have the cycle set up.

thank you...so how would you do it differently?