First time

[HighBall]

Hey, I've never juiced before, but I want to try a cycle.

I am 6' tall, 150 pounds. I know I'm skinny, but I'm not going to start untill march when I will hopefully be 160 pounds.

I want to gain as much mass as I can, with little sides as possible.
Here's what I came up with:

Sustanon250 every 4 days weeks 1-8
Liquidex .5ml ed

I will be using nolvadex for Post cycle therapy instead of clomid, and taking the liquidex untill I start nolva.

My reasons for choosing sustanon are:
1. From what I've heard, CYPIONATE aromatizes easily, is toxic to the liver, highly androgenic side effects, and bad water retention.
2. I've heard with ENANTHATE you can't walk after unless you mix it.
3. I've also heard that PROPIONATE is very painful injection.

So are these reasons good to do Sustanon, or am I wrong about some?

My question is what is best to stack with sustanon for mass?

300mg of EQ/wk, or 30mgs of dboll the first 4 weeks?>

and what about deca, that gyno that isn't stoppable by nolvadex scares the shit outta me!

 

[Athernigy]

Tell me you're kidding.

-sk

 

[HighBall]

Tell me you're kidding.

-sk

WTF do you mean by that.....by the way I'm 21

 

[Athernigy]

WTF do you mean by that.....by the way I'm 21

Oh ok, that changed everything.

-sk

 

[HighBall]

you want to stop acting like your 5 and tell me what the fuck you mean, cause either you have downs syndrome, or there is some secret you don't wish to share with me.

 

[Athernigy]

you want to stop acting like your 5 and tell me what the fuck you mean, cause either you have downs syndrome, or there is some secret you don't wish to share with me.

It's the first one, btw, my girlfriend is bigger than you and she doesn't workout. Fuck working out, with the knowledge you have you are just gonna end up hurting yourself. I suggest you use the search button before sticking. And I really hope this is a joke.

-sk

 

[Mike P.T.]

Stick around and learn some bro. It's obvious you are still not ready for juice or will be my March. I suggest you stick to the training, diet and supplement boards for a while. Not a flame but you will be better off. If you don't want to listen to my advice at least research this section thoroughly before you start.

 

[HighBall]

sorry to get pissed, but I am not a newbie to the game. I have a couple of hundred posts on another board for food and supplements. My brother is a bodybuilder and teaches me alot. I went throught he army and lifting before during and after. Everyone in my whole family on both sides are skinny, it's just my genetics. I am an very good shape, and have 5% body fat, noone believes me that I'm 150 pounds. My dad is 6', and weighs 180 but with a gut, so I don;t know how more I have to grow. I have my diet down to a T which consists of 4500 calories a day, all clean, and the only simple carbs and malto i take in is post workout.

If you think I should wait then just say so,(even though you already did) I wanted an opinion, not a smart answer because I don't want to fuck my body up, thats obviously why I posted. I am not a newbie, just because I'm not 200 pounds of solid muscle doesn't mean that I some retard saying "Can I take Dbol for eights weeks?> what will this do????"

 

[SuKY_GeNeTiCs]

Highball I can relate to your situation. I know how you feel and quality gains don't come easy to me. I have only been researching for maybe a year on and off about juice but it is pretty clear that you don't know enough yet to stick the needle in. You may be ready physically but I think you should research more. Alot on this board will argue that if you can't gain more weight natty then how are you going to do it with juice.

 

[Athernigy]

sorry to get pissed, but I am not a newbie to the game. I have a couple of hundred posts on another board for food and supplements. My brother is a bodybuilder and teaches me alot. I went throught he army and lifting before during and after. Everyone in my whole family on both sides are skinny, it's just my genetics. I am an very good shape, and have 5% body fat, noone believes me that I'm 150 pounds. My dad is 6', and weighs 180 but with a gut, so I don;t know how more I have to grow. I have my diet down to a T which consists of 4500 calories a day, all clean, and the only simple carbs and malto i take in is post workout.

If you think I should wait then just say so,(even though you already did) I wanted an opinion, not a smart answer because I don't want to fuck my body up, thats obviously why I posted. I am not a newbie, just because I'm not 200 pounds of solid muscle doesn't mean that I some retard saying "Can I take Dbol for eights weeks?> what will this do????"

You made many ignorant comments in your original post like cyp is toxic to the liver ...
I am not even debating weather you are too small or not ...

-sk

 

[HighBall]

I almost did AS when I was 17, but I didn't, all of my friends did. I'm glad I waited. I was just asking if what I read was true.


CYPIONATE
Has a reputation as being slightly stronger than Enanthate. Used for mass gains.

It is high in androgens and very highly anabolic.

Cypionate aromatizes easily; like other testosterones do, making water retention a problem for many users. It is only moderatel y toxic to the liver but can cause a marked disturbance, in the body\rquote s endogenous production of testosterone.

Athletes claim that this drug produces dramatic size and strength increases. It can be stacked with a number of different steroids and yield even greater results, Cypionate is the most popular testosterone used by athletes and is still produced domestically under the brand name Testosterone Depot and under numerous manufacturers labels with the generic name. Effective dosages for men are in the rang e of 1-3 ccs per week.It comes in 250mg/2ml; amp injectable form of testosterone.

Thats where I read that Cyp. was toxic, but now that I think about it I can see where you guys are coming from. I know that Cyp. is a test which should be the base of all bulking cycles, and it is not 17aa like winny and dbol. I gues I should have worded it differently. so your saying that that info is bullshit, and from what I have learned, it seems to be.

And if another ignorant comment you are looking at was the one about nolvadex instead of clomid. Here:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

They are supposedly the same.


I guess the first impression of me being a newbie is going to stick unless I change my name.